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The lunatics have taken over the asylum



 
 
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Old February 5th 10, 06:17 PM posted to uk.transport.london
Jeremy Parker
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Default The lunatics have taken over the asylum


"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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Mizter T wrote:

Maybe the time has come to do something radical here?


How about the city paying for footbridges with glass walls at 2nd
floor level between various large shops, crossing over Oxford
Street and also over side streets such as Orchard Street.


[snip]

Isn't the podium of Centre Point so designed to be ready for when
the Barbican's system of Highwalks is extended all the way to Oxford
Street? I've seen reports that there are other places where one can
see buildings with places to plug the Highwalks in.

The Buchanan report on "Traffic in Towns" had some nice pictures

Jeremy Parker


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Old February 5th 10, 08:35 PM posted to uk.transport.london
Arthur Figgis
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Default The lunatics have taken over the asylum

On 05/02/2010 01:09, wrote:
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(lonelytraveller) wrote:
On 4 Feb, 13:42, wrote:


On the other hand, you'd be hard pushed to turn an area full of
Georgian squares, and well laid out and designed housing, into a
disaster zone, no matter who you fill it with.


I can think of counterexamples to that. Liverpool had some.

Anyway , you can't bring a bombed out area back. The best you'll get
is a disneyland style fascimile of it.


Which is largely what the Germans have done of course. They seem to like
it.


Well, bits of Disney are copied from Germany to start with

Try telling that to the people of Warsaw or Novgorod, entire cities
which were heavily bombed out - Novgorod in fact was systematically
destroyed - yet brought back as a near total facsimile of their
previous selves.


Warsaw is dreadful! It may be getting better recently but was far worse
than the East End when I was there in 2002. You must be being rather
selective or referring to work done since 2002.


The very middle of Warsaw has been rebuilt "as it was" - they were
putting the finishing touches to some medieval walls when I went 3-4
years ago - but only the very middle.

Ieper seemed a bit odd as all the post-WWI "old" buildings were
weathered to the same extent.

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Old February 6th 10, 09:43 AM posted to uk.transport.london
Neil Williams
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Default The lunatics have taken over the asylum

On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 00:48:56 +0800, "DW downunder" noname wrote:

Sorry, who likes? Taxis have drivers. Taxi drivers respond to
passenger directions.


Not if it were illegal to do so and enforced.

The answer to Oxford St is to have taxi ranks and taxi drop-off points
in lay-bys and for the rest to be a strictly enforced "Red Route"
Clearway.

Neil

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Old February 6th 10, 11:19 AM posted to uk.transport.london
Paul Terry[_2_]
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Default The lunatics have taken over the asylum

In message , Neil Williams
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The answer to Oxford St is to have taxi ranks and taxi drop-off points
in lay-bys and for the rest to be a strictly enforced "Red Route"
Clearway.


Which would mean that the buses couldn't stop, unless they too were
provided with lay-bys ... and with so many buses pulling in and out of
near continuous lay-bys, everything would grind to a halt.

Perhaps the answer is to get rid of all traffic and have two wide
travelators running down the middle of the street (it wouldn't be any
slower than going by bus, I'm sure!)
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Old February 6th 10, 02:13 PM posted to uk.transport.london
Basil Jet
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Default The lunatics have taken over the asylum

Neil Williams wrote:
On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 00:48:56 +0800, "DW downunder" noname wrote:

Sorry, who likes? Taxis have drivers. Taxi drivers respond to
passenger directions.


Not if it were illegal to do so and enforced.

The answer to Oxford St is to have taxi ranks and taxi drop-off points
in lay-bys and for the rest to be a strictly enforced "Red Route"
Clearway.


Taxis and minicabs are allowed to stop on red routes. There is a thick
version of red line which they can't stop on, although IMO that should not
have been invented because zigzags also do the trick and are humanly
possible to see in the rain, unlike the thick red line. This would however
leave minicabs with nowhere to stop at all, because they can't stop on taxi
ranks. It would also make it impossible for taxis to set down in January,
when every rank would be permanently full of taxis.

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Old February 6th 10, 11:51 PM posted to uk.transport.london
Mizter T
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Default The lunatics have taken over the asylum


On Feb 7, 12:37*am, wrote:

(Arthur Figgis) wrote:

On 05/02/2010 21:58, wrote:
[snip]
Round the railway station was nothing but a monument to Stalinist
iconoclasm when I was there in 2002.


Yes, but the station isn't in the old town. Google Maps shows how
it works reasonably well, with the tiny "old" bit with castle,
walls and square near the river, and then everything else around it.


Yes, they were rebuilding the castle when we were there. Many visitors get
their first impressions at the station of course.


Sunderland.
 




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