https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/southern-rail-turmoil-hits-go-ahead-profits-9rrtq36j3?shareToken=6a84a9614d3b9d2365fba1b139b66 55e

In message , at 13:40:33 on Fri, 8 Sep
2017, Recliner remarked:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/s...hits-go-ahead-
profits-9rrtq36j3?shareToken=6a84a9614d3b9d2365fba1b139b66 55e

"It forecast that margins would reach up to 1.5 per cent."

From an orderly queue to take on this vastly lucrative business!
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry Wrote in message:
In message , at 13:40:33 on Fri, 8 Sep
2017, Recliner remarked:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/s...hits-go-ahead-
profits-9rrtq36j3?shareToken=6a84a9614d3b9d2365fba1b139b66 55e

"It forecast that margins would reach up to 1.5 per cent."

From an orderly queue to take on this vastly lucrative business!

The DfT might struggle to find any bidders for SN when the
franchise is next tendered. It's become a real poisoned chalice.

--

In message , at 11:35:58 on Fri, 8 Sep 2017,
Recliner remarked:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/s...hits-go-ahead-
profits-9rrtq36j3?shareToken=6a84a9614d3b9d2365fba1b139b66 55e

"It forecast that margins would reach up to 1.5 per cent."

From an orderly queue to take on this vastly lucrative business!

The DfT might struggle to find any bidders for SN when the
franchise is next tendered. It's become a real poisoned chalice.

They are struggling to find bidders for many franchises. But apparently
there's still a few gullible foreigners who haven't caught on yet. (eg
Trentinalia).
--
Roland Perry

In article ,
(Recliner) wrote:

Roland Perry Wrote in message:
In message , at 13:40:33 on Fri, 8
Sep 2017, Recliner remarked:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/s...s-go-ahead-pro
fits-9rrtq36j3?shareToken=6a84a9614d3b9d2365fba1b139b66 55e

"It forecast that margins would reach up to 1.5 per cent."

From an orderly queue to take on this vastly lucrative business!

The DfT might struggle to find any bidders for SN when the
franchise is next tendered. It's become a real poisoned chalice.

Isn't that the unions' objective, to get the franchise handed to DOR,
nationalisation by the back door?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 15:32:01
on Fri, 8 Sep 2017, remarked:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/s...s-go-ahead-pro
fits-9rrtq36j3?shareToken=6a84a9614d3b9d2365fba1b139b66 55e

"It forecast that margins would reach up to 1.5 per cent."

From an orderly queue to take on this vastly lucrative business!

The DfT might struggle to find any bidders for SN when the
franchise is next tendered. It's become a real poisoned chalice.

Isn't that the unions' objective, to get the franchise handed to DOR,
nationalisation by the back door?

It's already nationalised by the back door - DfT is in charge and Govia
just run the trains for a fixed fee.

Very little would change if the Govia senior managers were replaced by
DOR senior managers (where would the latter come from, anyway)?
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:32:01
on Fri, 8 Sep 2017, remarked:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/s...s-go-ahead-pro
fits-9rrtq36j3?shareToken=6a84a9614d3b9d2365fba1b139b66 55e

"It forecast that margins would reach up to 1.5 per cent."

From an orderly queue to take on this vastly lucrative business!

The DfT might struggle to find any bidders for SN when the
franchise is next tendered. It's become a real poisoned chalice.

Isn't that the unions' objective, to get the franchise handed to DOR,
nationalisation by the back door?

It's already nationalised by the back door - DfT is in charge and Govia
just run the trains for a fixed fee.

Very little would change if the Govia senior managers were replaced by
DOR senior managers (where would the latter come from, anyway)?

Govia, presumably, apart from one or two figureheads?

In message
-sept
ember.org, at 13:54:56 on Sat, 9 Sep 2017, Recliner
remarked:
"It forecast that margins would reach up to 1.5 per cent."

From an orderly queue to take on this vastly lucrative business!

The DfT might struggle to find any bidders for SN when the
franchise is next tendered. It's become a real poisoned chalice.

Isn't that the unions' objective, to get the franchise handed to DOR,
nationalisation by the back door?

It's already nationalised by the back door - DfT is in charge and Govia
just run the trains for a fixed fee.

Very little would change if the Govia senior managers were replaced by
DOR senior managers (where would the latter come from, anyway)?

Govia, presumably, apart from one or two figureheads?

Do they swap around like that? Have Stagecoach made some of their top
people redundant and sent them off to get jobs with SWR.

I'm thinking here about the people in the parent company, not drones
being TUPEd over from the local franchise.

If everyone to do with running a franchise is TUPEd over, then almost
nothing will ever change. The whole point of swapping parent companies
on renewal is to bring in some new blood.
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message

-septembe
r.org, at 13:54:56 on Sat, 9 Sep 2017, Recliner
remarked:
"It forecast that margins would reach up to 1.5 per cent."

From an orderly queue to take on this vastly lucrative business!

The DfT might struggle to find any bidders for SN when the
franchise is next tendered. It's become a real poisoned chalice.

Isn't that the unions' objective, to get the franchise handed to DOR,
nationalisation by the back door?

It's already nationalised by the back door - DfT is in charge and Govia
just run the trains for a fixed fee.

Very little would change if the Govia senior managers were replaced by
DOR senior managers (where would the latter come from, anyway)?

Govia, presumably, apart from one or two figureheads?

Do they swap around like that? Have Stagecoach made some of their top
people redundant and sent them off to get jobs with SWR.

I'm thinking here about the people in the parent company, not drones
being TUPEd over from the local franchise.

If everyone to do with running a franchise is TUPEd over, then almost
nothing will ever change. The whole point of swapping parent
companies on renewal is to bring in some new blood.

You have it right, though there have been exceptions. The Northern MD, Alex
Hynes, did transfer to the new franchise holder there at first though he's
now gone to Scotrail.

And DOR started with Elaine Holt transferring from our very own FCC. She
then brought in her former FCC colleague Karen Boswell to run East Coast.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:
In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message

-septembe
r.org, at 13:54:56 on Sat, 9 Sep 2017, Recliner
remarked:
"It forecast that margins would reach up to 1.5 per cent."

From an orderly queue to take on this vastly lucrative business!

The DfT might struggle to find any bidders for SN when the
franchise is next tendered. It's become a real poisoned chalice.

Isn't that the unions' objective, to get the franchise handed to DOR,
nationalisation by the back door?

It's already nationalised by the back door - DfT is in charge and Govia
just run the trains for a fixed fee.

Very little would change if the Govia senior managers were replaced by
DOR senior managers (where would the latter come from, anyway)?

Govia, presumably, apart from one or two figureheads?

Do they swap around like that? Have Stagecoach made some of their top
people redundant and sent them off to get jobs with SWR.

I'm thinking here about the people in the parent company, not drones
being TUPEd over from the local franchise.

If everyone to do with running a franchise is TUPEd over, then almost
nothing will ever change. The whole point of swapping parent
companies on renewal is to bring in some new blood.

You have it right, though there have been exceptions. The Northern MD, Alex
Hynes, did transfer to the new franchise holder there at first though he's
now gone to Scotrail.

And DOR started with Elaine Holt transferring from our very own FCC. She
then brought in her former FCC colleague Karen Boswell to run East Coast.

But below them, where did the other senior DOR managers come from when it
was running EC? I suspect most were from NXEC. After all, DOR had no
permanent operational staff, while NXEC had people who were no longer
needed by NX, but had exactly the right experience that DOR needed to run
EC.