Steve Fitzgerald wrote:
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Richard J. writes

Given some of the how-the-hell-did-they-get-there type places
we've all seen graffiti I suspect it won't be too much of a
challenge for them

Well, it was easy enough the first time. Those cars were newly
painted when they were placed on the viaduct, and the graffiti
appeared very soon afterwards.

From the pictures I saw, they were very much in the same condition
they left Uxbridge sidings in - a bit grimy but bare metal and
mostly no graffiti, although there was a little.

Yes, "newly painted" was wrong, I now realise. The comparison that I
remembered was of http://tinyurl.com/38mycq taken on 20 August 2006,
with no graffiti visible, and
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jono01/240863962/ taken on 10 September
2006.
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I hadn't been really following the thread, but what are those cars doing
there?

Actually, I had heard that they are 86ts, and that they are London
Underground's little secret as they ran on the Jubilee line only for about a
year, but they really didn't work out.

As for the graffiti, is this rather recent? I ask, because I first passed by
them in a car last October, but I don't recall seeing any graffiti at that
time.

Incidentally, one of the cab doors was open. I only caught a glimpse, but
the colour of it and the fuse box array made me think that the cabs on those
trains was very similar to what you would see on D stock trains.

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Steve Fitzgerald wrote:
In message ,
Richard J. writes

Given some of the how-the-hell-did-they-get-there type places
we've all seen graffiti I suspect it won't be too much of a
challenge for them

Well, it was easy enough the first time. Those cars were newly
painted when they were placed on the viaduct, and the graffiti
appeared very soon afterwards.

From the pictures I saw, they were very much in the same condition
they left Uxbridge sidings in - a bit grimy but bare metal and
mostly no graffiti, although there was a little.

Yes, "newly painted" was wrong, I now realise. The comparison that I
remembered was of http://tinyurl.com/38mycq taken on 20 August 2006, with
no graffiti visible, and
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jono01/240863962/ taken on 10 September 2006.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

wrote:

I hadn't been really following the thread, but what are those cars doing
there?

It's art, innit.

In fact they will be artist's studios (innit).

Though they look like they've already become the canvas to several
'artists' work.

I actually quite like the one eyed monster exhibited he
http://www.flickr.com/photos/brick2dust/363610746/

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Incidentally, one of the cab doors was open. I only caught a
glimpse, but the colour of it and the fuse box array made me think
that the cabs on those trains was very similar to what you would
see on D stock trains.

I thought the 83TS was designed for a lot of common parts with D stock,
including traction motors and wheels. That would explain why there are no
bogies on these cars.

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Colin Rosenstiel

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Colin Rosenstiel writes
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() wrote:

Incidentally, one of the cab doors was open. I only caught a
glimpse, but the colour of it and the fuse box array made me think
that the cabs on those trains was very similar to what you would
see on D stock trains.

I thought the 83TS was designed for a lot of common parts with D stock,
including traction motors and wheels. That would explain why there are no
bogies on these cars.

Sorry, which cars?

All the ones I've noticed still had bogies attached to them - that's
mainly how they manage to stay on the rails!

I watched the ones being craned out of Uxbridge and Cockfosters and they
still certainly appeared to have bogies attached at that time. Although
I can't comment on them being removed for further use later, I wouldn't
have thought they'd be much use after 10 years or so sat under a
derelict train.
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In article , ] (Steve
Fitzgerald) wrote:

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, Colin
Rosenstiel writes
In article ,
() wrote:

Incidentally, one of the cab doors was open. I only caught a
glimpse, but the colour of it and the fuse box array made me
think that the cabs on those trains was very similar to what you
would see on D stock trains.

I thought the 83TS was designed for a lot of common parts with D
stock, including traction motors and wheels. That would explain why
there are no bogies on these cars.

Sorry, which cars?

The ones stuck on top of a viaduct at Shoreditch.

All the ones I've noticed still had bogies attached to them -
that's mainly how they manage to stay on the rails!

I watched the ones being craned out of Uxbridge and Cockfosters and
they still certainly appeared to have bogies attached at that time.
Although I can't comment on them being removed for further use
later, I wouldn't have thought they'd be much use after 10 years or
so sat under a derelict train.

--
Colin Rosenstiel