On 9 Nov, 05:01, James Farrar wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:37:21 -0800, John B wrote:
On 8 Nov, 09:18, lonelytraveller
wrote:
That's a disingenuous argument.

If someone goes to Paddington, buys a ticket and waits for a train,
they end up spending their time in the freezing, smelly train shed -
unless they make a particular effort not to.

If someone goes to Euston and does the same, they will end up waiting
on the unfreezing, unsmelly concourse [which is also fully enclosed],
and will only have to enter the train shed when they're already
walking to their train.

No, that's a disingenuous argument. There's no particular reason to
wait on one side of the glass wall than the other. Any more than
people have to wait in the suburban platforms shed at Euston, even
though they do.

Yes there is - it's where you are, and it's where the departures board
is.

There are departures screens on the other side of the glass wall.

Look, departure screens can easily be moved or duplicated. And if that
is your main justification for Euston station then I'm sure we could
have it demolished right now.

On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 04:29:02 -0800, lonelytraveller
wrote:

On 9 Nov, 05:01, James Farrar wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:37:21 -0800, John B wrote:
On 8 Nov, 09:18, lonelytraveller
wrote:
That's a disingenuous argument.

If someone goes to Paddington, buys a ticket and waits for a train,
they end up spending their time in the freezing, smelly train shed -
unless they make a particular effort not to.

If someone goes to Euston and does the same, they will end up waiting
on the unfreezing, unsmelly concourse [which is also fully enclosed],
and will only have to enter the train shed when they're already
walking to their train.

No, that's a disingenuous argument. There's no particular reason to
wait on one side of the glass wall than the other. Any more than
people have to wait in the suburban platforms shed at Euston, even
though they do.

Yes there is - it's where you are, and it's where the departures board
is.

There are departures screens on the other side of the glass wall.

Look, departure screens can easily be moved or duplicated. And if that
is your main justification for Euston station then I'm sure we could
have it demolished right now.

I was not justifying Euston; rather, I was refuting your argument
against Paddington.

On 8 Nov, 21:52, lonelytraveller
wrote:
No, that's a disingenuous argument. There's no particular reason to
wait on one side of the glass wall than the other. Any more than
people have to wait in the suburban platforms shed at Euston, even
though they do.

Yes there is - it's where you are, and it's where the departures board
is.

Are you trying to claim that you can't see through clear glass?

Of course not.

The point - easily proveable by a visit - is that in real life, people
congregate in the train shed at Paddington not the concourse.

This is because the overall design of the station, including the
positioning of the ticket office and the departure boards and the
chairs and most of the retail outlets and the entrance from the
Underground and the taxi rank, makes people congregate in the train
shed not the concourse.

Indeed, there is not enough room on the concourse to deal with large
numbers of sitting/standing passengers (unless they go to the pub/
sushi bar/coffee shop, which most people at stations don't).


--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

John B wrote:
On 8 Nov, 21:52, lonelytraveller
wrote:
No, that's a disingenuous argument. There's no particular reason
to wait on one side of the glass wall than the other. Any more
than people have to wait in the suburban platforms shed at
Euston, even though they do.

Yes there is - it's where you are, and it's where the departures
board is.

Are you trying to claim that you can't see through clear glass?

Of course not.

The point - easily proveable by a visit - is that in real life,
people congregate in the train shed at Paddington not the concourse.

This is because the overall design of the station, including the
positioning of the ticket office and the departure boards and the
chairs and most of the retail outlets and the entrance from the
Underground and the taxi rank, makes people congregate in the train
shed not the concourse.

Indeed, there is not enough room on the concourse to deal with large
numbers of sitting/standing passengers (unless they go to the pub/
sushi bar/coffee shop, which most people at stations don't).

As far as I'm concerned the concourse at Paddington is the area behind
the buffers where, as you say, everyone congregates. There's a shopping
mall south of it, called The Lawn, but it's just a retail appendage to
the station, not "the concourse".
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)