On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:52:34 +0100,
Walter Briscoe wrote:

The (undocumented) 15 minute period is that you are charged for an in
zone journey if you enter and leave a station in 15 minutes.
If you enter and leave a station in longer than 15 minutes, you are
charged for an unfinished journey and an unstarted journey.

It's definitely longer (at least it was) at Watford Junction. I've been
there when there's been a "one under" at Harrow and Wealdstone, gone
home after half an hour and "only" been charged 1GBP.

Tim.


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Neil Williams writes
Jim wrote:

Remember what you're doing is getting past the gate line. If you'd been
using paper tickets, the gate would have cancelled the ticket, end of story.

Or you'd ask to be let out of the manual gate and back in that way
afterwards. I've done it before on the mainline, though admittedly
not on LUL.

I've done it on London Underground.
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On Jul 22, 11:20*am, Neil Williams wrote:
Jim wrote:
Remember what you're doing is getting past the gate line. If you'd been
using paper tickets, the gate would have cancelled the ticket, end of story.

Or you'd ask to be let out of the manual gate and back in that way
afterwards. *I've done it before on the mainline, though admittedly
not on LUL.

An interesting thought for when PAYG is accepted on National Rail.
Loads of times I've had to be let through the gate when I've tried to
get a train at, say, Platforms 1 - 4 at Charing Cross, just missed it
(or found that it's horribly delayed), and then needed to get out to
the separate barrier for the next train from platforms 5 and 6.

(We had a discussion before about why Oyster travelcards work the
gates in this situation but paper ones don't. I still don't
understand.)

There must be many large stations with similar arrangements on NR.

On Jul 22, 10:13*pm, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 19:41:58 on
Tue, 22 Jul 2008, James Farrar remarked:

The quickest (between Oyster validators) is probably Northfields to
South Ealing as they are both surface stations. The platform ends are
about 200yds apart.

Though the exits from the platforms are at opposite ends of the
platforms.

I noticed that, but is there a pair of other stations that could be
traversed quicker?

Not on the tube, but what about Canary Wharf/Heron Quays or West India
Quay/Canary Wharf?

In message
, at
06:32:08 on Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Rupert Candy
remarked:
I noticed that, but is there a pair of other stations that could be
traversed quicker?

Not on the tube, but what about Canary Wharf/Heron Quays or West India
Quay/Canary Wharf?

You've got to get up and down the stairs from the validators to the
platform, which made me think it would take longer.
--
Roland Perry

On Jul 23, 2:51*pm, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at
06:32:08 on Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Rupert Candy
remarked:

I noticed that, but is there a pair of other stations that could be
traversed quicker?

Not on the tube, but what about Canary Wharf/Heron Quays or West India
Quay/Canary Wharf?

You've got to get up and down the stairs from the validators to the
platform, which made me think it would take longer.

Race you :-P

In message of Tue, 22
Jul 2008 22:03:36 in uk.transport.london, Tim Woodall
writes
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:52:34 +0100,
Walter Briscoe wrote:

The (undocumented) 15 minute period is that you are charged for an in
zone journey if you enter and leave a station in 15 minutes.
If you enter and leave a station in longer than 15 minutes, you are
charged for an unfinished journey and an unstarted journey.

It's definitely longer (at least it was) at Watford Junction. I've been
there when there's been a "one under" at Harrow and Wealdstone, gone
home after half an hour and "only" been charged 1GBP.

It used to be two hours at Moorgate. I don't care what the charging
regime is, but find it outrageous to the extent that it is undocumented.

When I queried the double charge, I quoted an interval of more than an
hour from my Oyster record. So I can now enter at Moorgate, go twice
round the Circle and get off at Liverpool Street for a zone 1 fare
(assuming a circuit takes just under an hour.) If I make one circuit
from Moorgate to Moorgate, I will be charged a double maximum fare.
--
Walter Briscoe

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message
,
at 06:32:08 on Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Rupert Candy
remarked:
I noticed that, but is there a pair of other stations that could be
traversed quicker?

Not on the tube, but what about Canary Wharf/Heron Quays or West India
Quay/Canary Wharf?

You've got to get up and down the stairs from the validators to the
platform, which made me think it would take longer.

You would have to get up and down stairs at South Ealing/Northfields as
well.

Peter Smyth

In message , at 17:58:21 on Wed,
23 Jul 2008, Peter Smyth remarked:
I noticed that, but is there a pair of other stations that could be
traversed quicker?

Not on the tube, but what about Canary Wharf/Heron Quays or West India
Quay/Canary Wharf?

You've got to get up and down the stairs from the validators to the
platform, which made me think it would take longer.

You would have to get up and down stairs at South Ealing/Northfields as
well.

I know, but not as far as on the DLR. (And the OP asked for Underground
stations, in any case). Would make an interesting day out, doing some
time trials.
--
Roland Perry

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:23:08 -0700 (PDT), MIG
wrote:

An interesting thought for when PAYG is accepted on National Rail.
Loads of times I've had to be let through the gate when I've tried to
get a train at, say, Platforms 1 - 4 at Charing Cross, just missed it
(or found that it's horribly delayed), and then needed to get out to
the separate barrier for the next train from platforms 5 and 6.

Singapore have the problem as well. I was using their underground
system on an EZLink card (their Oyster-a-like) and needed to use the
bog, which was outside the barrier line. Because I had entered the
station already, I was charged a full single for going in and out
without actually travelling - and no option for an easy refund.

Neil

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