On Feb 16, 2:58*pm, David Hansen
wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:20:25 -0800 (PST) someone who may be Mizter T
wrote this:-

Technically speaking touching in even when using an Oyster card loaded
with a Travelcard that covers all the required zones is a requirement
when using NR. See the "Oyster Conditions of Use on National rail
services" (PDF):
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...s-of-carriage-...

The argument is whether these can have any effect, as they conflict
with National Rail conditions which have already been referred to in
this discussion.

I'd argue that they actually don't conflict - specifically see this
wording: "You can still use your Oyster card at stations where there
is no yellow card reader or if it is not working provided that your
Travelcard is valid for the journey you are making."

Also, if one is using a Travelcard in combination with a paper ticket,
then arguably one is not using an Oyster card at that end of the
journey anyway. (Conceptually this all gets a bit muddled as one would
be using a paper ticket combined with a Travelcard stored on Oyster!)

It's clear that TfL has no intention of stopping people from combining
Travelcards held on Oyster with paper tickets for journeys beyond the
zonal validity. Inevitably the inherent presumption is that those
using a Travelcard loaded on Oyster who wish to travel beyond the
zonal validity of said Travelcard but still within the London zones
will make use of Oyster's ability to combine Travelcard and PAYG in
order to automatically pay the extension fare.

The one significant group of people who may have other ideas is Gold
Card Travelcard holders (i.e. annual Travelcard holders), who are
entitled to a third off fares (like a Railcard) but cannot have this
discount entitlement activated on their Oyster card (unlike holders of
Railcards, except the Network Railcard and Family & Friends Railcard -
the latter at least being an understandable omission). As to why this
is the case, you would have to ask ATOC and TfL!

Also, just to make life interesting, the NRCoC does also mention that
usage of electronic tickets is subject to their own conditions of
issue and use! If the two sets of conditions (NR and electronic
ticket) were really in conflict, which would have primacy is an
interesting question. One rather suspects that those parties involved
will work to avoid that situation arising.