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Old September 9th 19, 12:21 PM posted to uk.transport.london
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:00:18 on Sun, 8 Sep
2019,
Recliner remarked:
So he can save on the ultra-low emission zone fee, - surely your
average
second hand petrol model achieves that

Perhaps not for long?

Are they changing the standard, as well as the coverage area.

Currently approximates to petrol 2005+, diesels 2015+.

They'll almost certainly tighten the rules at some point. It's like
the
exemption from the congestion charge, for which the rules have got
steadily
tighter.

At which point the fleet of secondhand petrol cars will consist of
higher-standard vehicles, which might well not be leap-frogged in the
egregious way Euro5 diesels were.

They won't necessarily be banned, but will have to pay some sort of
emissions tariff, as is happening now. It's probably only a matter of
time
before only ZEVs get into central London without some sort of charge,
and
the dirtiest vehicles will be banned altogether. But TfL will first have
to get its own house in order, using only zero-emissions buses in
central
London.


Oh Only Rich people allowed to drive then

That'll work well as a tabloid headline


Have you only just noticed?


nope,

but the solution "Trade in for a second hand petrol costing 4 grand" is not
entirely unreasonable [1], especially as there's still an alternative of
paying the charge on a day to day basis.

whereas

"Trade in for a (nearly new) electric at 30 grand" is, when the alternate is
not being able to drive in the zone at all [2]

ISTM the two states are miles apart.

tim


[1] I even postulated it myself

[2] Obviously if "the zone" is just the area inside the circle line then
that not too bad. But if, as you seem to be suggesting, it's inside the N/S
Circular then it most certainly is