In message , at 10:42:25 on Sat, 6 Jun 2020,
Certes remarked:
On 06/06/2020 09:29, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:17:55 on Sat, 6 Jun
2020, tim... remarked:
But if an FP holder visits Manchester, they can't use their pass
after* 11pm, although the locals can. I assume this restriction
also applies to* any ENCTS card from outside Manchester.

It's a long-standing oddity that on Fridays the national bus pass
is not* valid between 11pm and midnight (after midnight of course
it's Saturday* with no time restrictions).

I suspect that the "all day" rule is just intended to remove the
morning restriction

it's not mean to remove the 11pm restriction

In many areas that point is moot as there are no busses at that
time, and those that are available are more heavily subsidised,
hence the "oldies have to pay" rule
There are even some operators who exclude "night buses" from fully
paid ticket holders (be those all-day, or longer seasons). Requiring
additional one-off payment.

I think it's normal to exclude night buses from one-day tickets. (The
clue is in their name.)

Public transport day-tickets are usually 4am-4am.

For longer seasons, it varies. Edinburgh's
changed a few years ago to include night travel, after a period when
season tickets gave a discount on a one-night ticket.

Edinburgh also has a hybrid ticket, valid one evening and night from 6pm
until about 4:30 am, though night buses are currently suspended.

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Roland Perry