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At a glance, the wheels either side of the bendy bit seem quite far
apart for a single bogie, but no further apart than the pairs at the
outer ends. I think it's probably an illusion caused by the smallness
of the wheels.


Actually I could be confused. I think the new units (supposedly
illustrated in the diagrams) have longer bogies, or possibly just a
longer middle bogie.


I hadn't heard that the new bogies were longer. I wonder why they'd do
that, on units that have to get round very tight curves?

Conversely, in the artist's impression you posted, all four (sic) bogies
look too short. But I'm guessing that was just the artist making that
bit up, not thinking anyone was particularly interesting in the wheels.
I also wonder if the floors aren't too low as well in that sketch?



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On 31 Jan, 15:11, "Recliner" wrote:
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On 31 Jan, 13:28, MIG wrote:


At a glance, the wheels either side of the bendy bit seem quite far
apart for a single bogie, but no further apart than the pairs at the
outer ends. I think it's probably an illusion caused by the smallness
of the wheels.


Actually I could be confused. *I think the new units (supposedly
illustrated in the diagrams) have longer bogies, or possibly just a
longer middle bogie.


I hadn't heard that the new bogies were longer. I wonder why they'd do
that, on units that have to get round very tight curves?

Conversely, in the artist's impression you posted, all four (sic) bogies
look too short. But I'm guessing that was just the artist making that
bit up, not thinking anyone was particularly interesting in the wheels.
I also wonder if the floors aren't too low as well in that sketch?


I will have to start paying more attention, and maybe take a snap.
Further posts may be from Belmarsh.
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On 31 Jan, 07:34, "DW downunder" noname wrote:
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This morning I've seen a three-unit train running on the DLR, with
the designation "Special", in between other services.

(Am I the only one having trouble perceiving the "articulated
vehicles" as anything other than units of two coaches?)

Like any other articulated vehicles (particularly trams), the short
coaches share a bogey. The only mainline trains with this
configuration in the UK are Eurostars, but they're quite common
elsewhere.

The diagrams and photos I have seen seem to me to show 2 car bodies
and 4 bogies per unit. Was I looking at the wrong images?

DW downunder


If you mean diagrams like this one
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._New_Train.PNG
then it would indeed appear to be wrong. Maybe the wheels were added
as an afterthought?


It's obvious that the artist got carried away. This is a more accurate
drawing of the current stock:
http://media.photobucket.com/image/d...LUEREDORIG.jpg


Of the B90, yes .... but not necessarily of the B07/B09.



The problem seems to be that it's hard to find pics of DLR vehicles with
visible wheels -- they're usually behind a platform or the current rail.
But this photo gives some impression of the centre articulated bogie:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2477273...57605340322709



B2K stock, not B07/09

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On 31 Jan, 13:28, MIG wrote:


At a glance, the wheels either side of the bendy bit seem quite far
apart for a single bogie, but no further apart than the pairs at the
outer ends. I think it's probably an illusion caused by the smallness
of the wheels.


Actually I could be confused. I think the new units (supposedly
illustrated in the diagrams) have longer bogies, or possibly just a
longer middle bogie.


I hadn't heard that the new bogies were longer. I wonder why they'd do
that, on units that have to get round very tight curves?

Conversely, in the artist's impression you posted, all four (sic) bogies
look too short. But I'm guessing that was just the artist making that
bit up, not thinking anyone was particularly interesting in the wheels.
I also wonder if the floors aren't too low as well in that sketch?


I will have to start paying more attention, and maybe take a snap.
Further posts may be from Belmarsh.



Yes please, of the elusive latest models, B07/09 ... which may indeed have
4 bogies ... we shall see.

DW downunder

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On 2 Feb, 08:38, "DW downunder" noname wrote:
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On 31 Jan, 15:11, "Recliner" wrote:





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On 31 Jan, 13:28, MIG wrote:


At a glance, the wheels either side of the bendy bit seem quite far
apart for a single bogie, but no further apart than the pairs at the
outer ends. I think it's probably an illusion caused by the smallness
of the wheels.


Actually I could be confused. I think the new units (supposedly
illustrated in the diagrams) have longer bogies, or possibly just a
longer middle bogie.


I hadn't heard that the new bogies were longer. I wonder why they'd do
that, on units that have to get round very tight curves?


Conversely, in the artist's impression you posted, all four (sic) bogies
look too short. But I'm guessing that was just the artist making that
bit up, not thinking anyone was particularly interesting in the wheels.
I also wonder if the floors aren't too low as well in that sketch?


I will have to start paying more attention, and maybe take a snap.
Further posts may be from Belmarsh.



Yes please, of the elusive latest models, B07/09 ... *which may indeed have
4 bogies *... *we shall see.


No, they haven't, but the middle or all may be longer.


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On 2 Feb, 08:38, "DW downunder" noname wrote:
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On 31 Jan, 13:28, MIG wrote:


At a glance, the wheels either side of the bendy bit seem quite far
apart for a single bogie, but no further apart than the pairs at the
outer ends. I think it's probably an illusion caused by the smallness
of the wheels.


Actually I could be confused. I think the new units (supposedly
illustrated in the diagrams) have longer bogies, or possibly just a
longer middle bogie.


I hadn't heard that the new bogies were longer. I wonder why they'd do
that, on units that have to get round very tight curves?


Conversely, in the artist's impression you posted, all four (sic) bogies
look too short. But I'm guessing that was just the artist making that
bit up, not thinking anyone was particularly interesting in the wheels.
I also wonder if the floors aren't too low as well in that sketch?


I will have to start paying more attention, and maybe take a snap.
Further posts may be from Belmarsh.



Yes please, of the elusive latest models, B07/09 ... which may indeed have
4 bogies ... we shall see.


No, they haven't, but the middle or all may be longer.



Is this based on observation, personal .... or third party?

Still, would like to see pix, whenever .....

DW

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On 2 Feb, 11:12, "DW downunder" noname wrote:
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On 31 Jan, 13:28, MIG wrote:


At a glance, the wheels either side of the bendy bit seem quite far
apart for a single bogie, but no further apart than the pairs at the
outer ends. I think it's probably an illusion caused by the smallness
of the wheels.


Actually I could be confused. I think the new units (supposedly
illustrated in the diagrams) have longer bogies, or possibly just a
longer middle bogie.


I hadn't heard that the new bogies were longer. I wonder why they'd do
that, on units that have to get round very tight curves?


Conversely, in the artist's impression you posted, all four (sic) bogies
look too short. But I'm guessing that was just the artist making that
bit up, not thinking anyone was particularly interesting in the wheels.
I also wonder if the floors aren't too low as well in that sketch?


I will have to start paying more attention, and maybe take a snap.
Further posts may be from Belmarsh.


Yes please, of the elusive latest models, B07/09 ... which may indeed have
4 bogies ... we shall see.


No, they haven't, but the middle or all may be longer.



Is this based on observation, personal *.... *or third party?

Still, would like to see pix, whenever .....

DW-


Personal observation made me think that the middle one looked long,
but I put it down to small wheels. I thought that the end ones were
the same.

Personal observation of the older units was that the bogies weren't as
long.

Then I'm sure I saw another diagram, I think it was the ones they are
using to show where to get off at SDO stations, which pictured a new
unit and showed the middle bogie as longer than the end ones. This is
what I need to check on, but the chances of standing on the opposite
platform from a train of new units (the only way to see the wheels)
are relatively rare.
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On 31 Jan, 13:28, MIG wrote:


At a glance, the wheels either side of the bendy bit seem quite far
apart for a single bogie, but no further apart than the pairs at the
outer ends. I think it's probably an illusion caused by the smallness
of the wheels.


Actually I could be confused. I think the new units (supposedly
illustrated in the diagrams) have longer bogies, or possibly just a
longer middle bogie.


I hadn't heard that the new bogies were longer. I wonder why they'd do
that, on units that have to get round very tight curves?


Conversely, in the artist's impression you posted, all four (sic) bogies
look too short. But I'm guessing that was just the artist making that
bit up, not thinking anyone was particularly interesting in the wheels.
I also wonder if the floors aren't too low as well in that sketch?


I will have to start paying more attention, and maybe take a snap.
Further posts may be from Belmarsh.



Yes please, of the elusive latest models, B07/09 ... *which may indeed have
4 bogies *... *we shall see.


The picture he

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gb/...u/B07/a1n-dlr-
snow-jp.jpg

shows the B07 units as only having a single middle bogie. You can see
the spots where the wheels are behind the current rail at the front,
middle and back of the unit. I doubt the articulation would work with
separate bogies and still be able to run around the sharp curves.
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On 2 Feb, 21:05, Andy wrote:
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On 31 Jan, 13:28, MIG wrote:


At a glance, the wheels either side of the bendy bit seem quite far
apart for a single bogie, but no further apart than the pairs at the
outer ends. I think it's probably an illusion caused by the smallness
of the wheels.


Actually I could be confused. I think the new units (supposedly
illustrated in the diagrams) have longer bogies, or possibly just a
longer middle bogie.


I hadn't heard that the new bogies were longer. I wonder why they'd do
that, on units that have to get round very tight curves?


Conversely, in the artist's impression you posted, all four (sic) bogies
look too short. But I'm guessing that was just the artist making that
bit up, not thinking anyone was particularly interesting in the wheels.
I also wonder if the floors aren't too low as well in that sketch?


I will have to start paying more attention, and maybe take a snap.
Further posts may be from Belmarsh.


Yes please, of the elusive latest models, B07/09 ... *which may indeed have
4 bogies *... *we shall see.


The picture he

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gb/...u/B07/a1n-dlr-
snow-jp.jpg

shows the B07 units as only having a single middle bogie. You can see
the spots where the wheels are behind the current rail at the front,
middle and back of the unit. I doubt the articulation would work with
separate bogies and still be able to run around the sharp curves.


There's absolutely no doubt about them having a middle bogie at the
articulated point (ie three bogies per "vehicle"). The only question
in my mind now is whether they are a different length of bogie from
the earlier units. My impression was that they are, but I'm wondering
if it's some kind of illusion.
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On 30 Jan, 17:00, Mizter T wrote:
On Jan 30, 1:04*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:

On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 04:25:57 -0800 (PST), MIG
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This morning I've seen a three-unit train running on the DLR, with the
designation "Special", in between other services.


(Am I the only one having trouble perceiving the "articulated
vehicles" as anything other than units of two coaches?)


No you're not! Wonder if there's anyone who thinks the trains are
about to get 25% smaller!



Presumably it is some kind of test run. *The one I saw was made up of
the new units.


Probably heading for the possession area to test the signalling at Royal
Mint St junction as well as line into and out of Bank. *All supposed to
reopen on Monday with three unit trains being phased into service after
that.


More info here at the "DLR Press Room":http://pressroom.dlr.co.uk/news/details.asp?id=220

With the exact same press release available at the main TfL "New
centre":http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/medi...tre/14063.aspx

Have the DLR actually got their own PR operation or not? The contact
details shown at the end of the press release on the DLR site are the
main TfL press office, but that doesn't in and of itself mean
anything. Plus I thought that DLR did have its own people (and they
were DLRL as opposed to Serco Docklands).

Anyhow, that's all by the by. I see that the Director of DLR, Jonathan
Fox, says "[...] I'm confident our Bank passengers will really notice
the difference at the new and improved platforms". They weren't all
that scrubby were they - they're pretty new, after all!


They've got benches now (on both platforms). If they weren't added in
the last few weeks, they were certainly added relatively recently.
The lack of anywhere to sit made Bank particularly uncivilised, I
thought.


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