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On Feb 22, 12:49*pm, wrote:

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 04:01:42 -0800 (PST)
Mizter T wrote:
The charge, fine, whatever you want to call it is thus levied
immediately, it's not taken the next day or whenever the next time the
passenger travels.


The end result is what matters , not the specifics of how the system works.
If you don't touch out you end up out of pocket.


Yes - I just saw the sentence "I don't know of many people who pay a
fare for a journey they made the previous day or even weeks before"
and wanted to clarify how the system works. (Though if a card goes
into a negative balance I suppose you could say that person was paying
for it the next time they topped up.)

Touch-out is basically a requirement if there are to be differential
fares - a flat fare (or at least there only being a single fare for
journeys starting from any station) would negate the need for touch-
out, but it seems like a rather unlikely thing to happen. If it did
ever happen, it would only be any good if it was set at a reasonable
level - too high and it would discourage use for shorter journeys. It
would also need a lot more subsidy in order to make it workable. It
would also have the potential to radically shift journey patterns and
demand in quite a big way.

(TfL could even describe the Oyster PAYG 6.50 'entry charge' as a
"flat fare", with "discounted fares" available to those who then touch-
out - a bit similar to the 10 or whatever "standard fare" that bus
companies have outside London - but if TfL were to do this it would
probably be deemed by most people as being somewhat disingenuous.)

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On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 05:57:35 -0800 (PST)
Mizter T wrote:
Touch-out is basically a requirement if there are to be differential
fares - a flat fare (or at least there only being a single fare for
journeys starting from any station) would negate the need for touch-
out, but it seems like a rather unlikely thing to happen. If it did


Probably is unlikely , though given there's flat fares on the buses now the
arguments against it not working on the underground seem a bit forced.

would also need a lot more subsidy in order to make it workable. It
would also have the potential to radically shift journey patterns and
demand in quite a big way.


Maybe, but I doubt many people use the tube for short journeys (say 1 or 2
stops) anyway so even if it did discourage short journeys I doubt it would
have much impact on revenue. But if longer journeys became cheaper especially
at weekends LU could well find it ends up earning more through a flat fare
scheme.

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On 22/02/2010 10:42, David Hansen wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 01:41:23 -0800 (PST) someone who may be JS
wrote this:-

If you want to use some or all of your payg balance to extend your
journey beyond the zones of your Travelcard (but within the LFZ + G)
on National Rail you can do so, but you must:
- set an OEP
- touch in
You will then pay a mixed travel maximum Oyster fare
You now have a valid ticket for travel beyond the zones of your
Travelcard on National Rail (+G)

The logic is entirely sound


Not in the least.

The logic is that on a bus or tram one touches the yellow pad on
entering a bus or tram,


No, you touch the yellow pad as you arrive (on
foot/wheelchair/Brompton/parachute) at the stop from which you will
catch the tram, like with trains. The pads are on the platform, not on
the trams, apparently because of concerns that no-one would touch in
until they saw the inspectors get on. Which, to be fair, is exactly what
/would/ happen.

on a train one touches the yellow pad on
entering and leaving the railway. Too complicated already, but at
least understandable.

Then something else is added for using some trains. Illogical.








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