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On Tue, 25 May 2010 00:37:46 +0100, Scott
wrote: But does the lack of wheelchair symbol on the other line not indicate that only the ELL station has wheelchair access? It's not 'wheelchair access', it's 'step-free access'. People with limited mobility also appreciate knowing they don't have to climb stairs. What you say is correct, but that stands for every other station on the map without the symbol. The two stations are not physically linked to one another, you have to exit one and cross a road to get to the other, making it less of an interchange than it appears to be from the map. If travelling on Oyster, you would have to touch out and touch in, potentially charging you for two journeys (unless the system can recognise that?) |
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On May 25, 10:21*am, Ivor The Engine wrote: On Tue, 25 May 2010 00:37:46 +0100, Scott wrote: But does the lack of wheelchair symbol on the other line not indicate that only the ELL station has wheelchair access? It's not 'wheelchair access', it's 'step-free access'. *People with limited mobility also appreciate knowing they don't have to climb stairs. What you say is correct, but that stands for every other station on the map without the symbol. *The two stations are not physically linked to one another, you have to exit one and cross a road to get to the other, making it less of an interchange than it appears to be from the map. *If travelling on Oyster, you would have to touch out and touch in, potentially charging you for two journeys (unless the system can recognise that?) Yes, the system can recognise that - it's an Out-of-Station Interchange (OSI) - and in the case of the Dalston stations I'm absolutely certain that an OSI will be configured between them. |
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If you ignore the wheelchair symbol the Dalston Junction symbol looks the same as the Mile End or Finsbury Park symbols , both of which are cross platform interchanges. I note that Hammersmith has also been changed so that the District and Hammersmith & City stations are joined as one station. I am sure that at one time they were not. Does this show some change in policy on the part of LRT . Is it to indicate that Oyster recognises that travel via those stations is an interchange? The number of circles at the interchanges appear to have no meaning For example Baker Street, which is all one station, has two now, wheras West Hamsptead, which is a Jubilee Line station and an entirely separate North London line station (originally West End Lane) only shows one. |
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On 25/05/2010 13:26, Paul Rigg wrote:
If you ignore the wheelchair symbol the Dalston Junction symbol looks the same as the Mile End or Finsbury Park symbols , both of which are cross platform interchanges. I note that Hammersmith has also been changed so that the District and Hammersmith & City stations are joined as one station. I am sure that at one time they were not. Does this show some change in policy on the part of LRT . Is it to indicate that Oyster recognises that travel via those stations is an interchange? I would imagine that Hammersmith coalesced when the wheelchair blobs were introduced. The old system of having one interchange blob separated from the other two would obviously no longer work, since the wheelchair blob hides the interchangeness. |
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On May 25, 1:26*pm, "Paul Rigg" wrote: If you ignore the wheelchair symbol the Dalston Junction symbol looks the same as the Mile End or Finsbury Park symbols , both of which are cross platform interchanges. I note that Hammersmith has also been changed so that the District and Hammersmith & City stations are joined as one station. *I am sure that at one time they were not. *Does this show some change in policy on the part of LRT . *Is it to indicate that Oyster recognises that travel via those stations is an interchange? I think it's nothing more than changed thinking about how to best represent such interchanges - there seems to be various schools of thought on this, and which one has the upper hand shifts over time. (Perhaps market research suggested that many passengers genuinely didn't realise how close the Hammersmith H&C/Circle station was - combined with the increased frequency as a result of the Circle line T- cup changes, this new look on the map might help to persuade more passengers to use it... I'm speculating of course...) Oyster has recognised the Hammersmiths as a valid Out-of-Station Interchange (OSI) since the beginning, I think - so nothing has changed in that regard lately. (Oh, and LRT are long gone!) The number of circles at the interchanges appear to have no meaning *For example Baker Street, which is all one station, *has two now, wheras West Hamsptead, which is a Jubilee Line station and an entirely separate North London line station (originally West End Lane) only shows one. I think it's just the demands of trying to show the lines clearly - don't try and read too much into it. |
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On 25 May, 22:32, wrote:
In article , (Mizter T) wrote: I think it's nothing more than changed thinking about how to best represent such interchanges - there seems to be various schools of thought on this, and which one has the upper hand shifts over time. (Perhaps market research suggested that many passengers genuinely didn't realise how close the Hammersmith H&C/Circle station was - combined with the increased frequency as a result of the Circle line T-cup changes, this new look on the map might help to persuade more passengers to use it... I'm speculating of course...) Indeed so. Didn't the simplification that included removing the Thames and the zones from the map also amalgamate most multi-disc interchanges into single discs? -- Colin Rosenstiel I think there's a fairly clear principle or two to how they show the interchanges. * If the lines cross and there's no difference in accessibility, there's one disc. * If it's first stop on a shared stretch (with the same pattern) and there's no difference in accessibility, there's one disc. * If the lines come close but but neither cross nor run together with the same pattern, there are linked discs. * If there's any difference in accessibility there are linked discs. Any exceptions to that? |
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