(Neil Williams) wrote in message ...
On 15 Dec 2003 01:21:14 -0800, (Boltar) wrote:

So someone please tell me , apart from being able to go through the gates
ever so slightly quicker , what use are these things exactly?

I think the "killer app" is pre-pay and direct debit. For any other
kind of ticket, the benefits are very minor.

Neil

I think the killer app will be recharging your ticket on the internet.
I reckon most office workers in the centre of town will be using this
method.

Jim

"Robin Mayes" wrote in message ...
"Dave Liney" wrote in message
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Or to look at it another way LU launching a system that wasn't ready and
setting unobtainable target dates for Pre-Pay.

Or:

Private company doesn't meet key milestones in a project managed by
themselves, despite assuring customer that milestones would be met and
product would be ready for launch?

No, that'd be attributating blame where it's due wouldn't it. Far better
just to bash LUL. You're not an Evening Standard journalist perchance, are
you?

But are these contractors liable for any penalties for failing to
deliver? If not, the targets are meaningless.

"Robin Mayes" wrote in message . ..
"Boltar" wrote in message
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But I don't want X pre-paid fares on my oyster. I want X days unlimited
use
as per weekly /monthly travelcard unlimited use.

Yes, I know, but the contractor is unable to deliver!

But it can be done, the bloke at the ticket office I spoke to had done
it for someone else and got into trouble for it! Its nothing to do with
the technology , its LU bloody management!

B2003

"umpston" wrote in message
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But are these contractors liable for any penalties for failing to
deliver? If not, the targets are meaningless.

Sorry, I don't have access to the wierd and wonderful world of contracts!

"Boltar" wrote in message
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"Robin Mayes" wrote in message
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"Boltar" wrote in message
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But I don't want X pre-paid fares on my oyster. I want X days
unlimited
use
as per weekly /monthly travelcard unlimited use.

Yes, I know, but the contractor is unable to deliver!

But it can be done, the bloke at the ticket office I spoke to had done
it for someone else and got into trouble for it! Its nothing to do with
the technology , its LU bloody management!

It would appear we're at cross purposes here. If you're saying you want a
three day ticket on an Oystercard, yes, it's possible to set it up on a
ticket office machine, but it's not in the fare structure. What I'm saying
is with Oyster Pre-pay with fare capping enabled, you'd be able to prepay
the cost of 3 days worth of LT cards and then have unlimited travel on
services that LT cards are valid on. I suggest if you don't want the LT card
option you contact TfL suggesting major changes to the fare and ticketing
arrangements. However, I have the feeling you'll be told that what you
require isn't economically viable.

(Jim Brown) wrote:

I think the killer app will be recharging your ticket on the internet.
I reckon most office workers in the centre of town will be using this
method.

The problem with this is the delay - after you've bought your ticket
online, you need to wait four days before it can start.

One of the biggest benefits of doing something online is the speed -
if I buy a ticket over the web, I want it to load onto my card the
next time I go through a gate.

Why must we wait so long?

(of course, I could just get my act together and remember to renew my
ticket a week in advance, but that isn't always possible).

On 17 Dec 2003 01:31:57 -0800, Matt Ashby wrote:
(Jim Brown) wrote:

I think the killer app will be recharging your ticket on the internet.
I reckon most office workers in the centre of town will be using this
method.

The problem with this is the delay - after you've bought your ticket
online, you need to wait four days before it can start.

One of the biggest benefits of doing something online is the speed -
if I buy a ticket over the web, I want it to load onto my card the
next time I go through a gate.

Why must we wait so long?

The delay is very odd considering the whole system is linked together
in real time (or close to it). The pre-pay credit on my card is
shown on the website correctly and I last used it about 3 hours
ago.

David

(Jim Brown) wrote in message . com...
(Neil Williams) wrote in message ...
On 15 Dec 2003 01:21:14 -0800, (Boltar) wrote:

So someone please tell me , apart from being able to go through the gates
ever so slightly quicker , what use are these things exactly?

I think the "killer app" is pre-pay and direct debit. For any other
kind of ticket, the benefits are very minor.

Neil

I think the killer app will be recharging your ticket on the internet.
I reckon most office workers in the centre of town will be using this
method.

I would prefer a 'post-pay' direct debit system where I didn't have to
bother charging it up. I'd just get a monthly or quarterly bill -
just like the phone or gas.

David Walters wrote in message . ..
On 17 Dec 2003 01:31:57 -0800, Matt Ashby wrote:
(Jim Brown) wrote:

I think the killer app will be recharging your ticket on the internet.
I reckon most office workers in the centre of town will be using this
method.

The problem with this is the delay - after you've bought your ticket
online, you need to wait four days before it can start.

One of the biggest benefits of doing something online is the speed -
if I buy a ticket over the web, I want it to load onto my card the
next time I go through a gate.

Why must we wait so long?

The delay is very odd considering the whole system is linked together
in real time (or close to it). The pre-pay credit on my card is
shown on the website correctly and I last used it about 3 hours
ago.

David

Yeah this is anoying. I wouldnt be surprised if this was a contractual
time rather than an actual limitation of the system so the delay
period may get better as the system beds down.