Greetings.

According to the Stansted Express page at
https://www.stanstedexpress.com/content.asp?SID={CCDA2073-5A28-4758-8F69-1AEA696C18ED}&pageid=52,
"All Stansted Express services call at Tottenham Hale". Tottenham Hale is
also shown as an intermediate stop on the NXEA printed timetables.

However, Tottenham Hale is never listed on the departure boards for
Stansted Express at Liverpool Street Station. All the other stops are
listed; only Tottenham Hale is absent. Furthermore much of the station
staff has absolutely no idea that the train stops there. (Usually the
staff on the departure platform know about it, but the employees at the
information desk have no clue, referring instead to the incorrect
information on the main departure board.)

Why does the station seemingly go out of its way to obscure the fact that
this train stops at Tottenhame Hale when this information is readily
available on the Stansted Express website and in their printed timetable?

Regards,
Tristan

--
_
_V.-o Tristan Miller Space is limited
/ |`-' -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- In a haiku, so it's hard
(7_\\ http://www.nothingisreal.com/ To finish what you

"Tristan Miller" wrote:

Greetings.

According to the Stansted Express page at
https://www.stanstedexpress.com/content.asp?pageid=52,
"All Stansted Express services call at Tottenham Hale". Tottenham Hale is
also shown as an intermediate stop on the NXEA printed timetables.

However, Tottenham Hale is never listed on the departure boards for
Stansted Express at Liverpool Street Station. All the other stops are
listed; only Tottenham Hale is absent. Furthermore much of the station
staff has absolutely no idea that the train stops there. (Usually the
staff on the departure platform know about it, but the employees at the
information desk have no clue, referring instead to the incorrect
information on the main departure board.)

Why does the station seemingly go out of its way to obscure the fact that
this train stops at Tottenhame Hale when this information is readily
available on the Stansted Express website and in their printed timetable?


Because they don't want Tottenham Hale bound folk getting on the Stansted
Express from Liverpool Street - though lots of people seem to do it anyway.

In the full timetables, the call at Tottenham Hale is shown as 'pick up
only', though there's no mention of this on the timetables shown on Stansted
Express website (inc the PDF version):
https://www.stanstedexpress.com/content.asp?pageid=73

In article ,
says...

Greetings.

According to the Stansted Express page at
https://www.stanstedexpress.com/content.asp?SID={CCDA2073-5A28-4758-8F69-1AEA696C18ED}&pageid=52,
"All Stansted Express services call at Tottenham Hale". Tottenham Hale is
also shown as an intermediate stop on the NXEA printed timetables.

However, Tottenham Hale is never listed on the departure boards for
Stansted Express at Liverpool Street Station. All the other stops are
listed; only Tottenham Hale is absent. Furthermore much of the station
staff has absolutely no idea that the train stops there. (Usually the
staff on the departure platform know about it, but the employees at the
information desk have no clue, referring instead to the incorrect
information on the main departure board.)

Why does the station seemingly go out of its way to obscure the fact that
this train stops at Tottenhame Hale when this information is readily
available on the Stansted Express website and in their printed timetable?

Regards,
Tristan

It's because outbound Stanstead Express trains stop at Tottenham Hale to
pick up only, so it doesn't show up as a stop at Liverpool Street and
presumably keeps local passengers off the trains.

Same applies to some Stratford stops on Norwich trains for example.

On Feb 28, 2:24*pm, Jim [wake wrote:
In article ,
says...







Greetings.

According to the Stansted Express page at
https://www.stanstedexpress.com/content.asp?SID={CCDA2073-5A28-4758-8F69-1AEA696C18ED}&pageid=52,
"All Stansted Express services call at Tottenham Hale". *Tottenham Hale is
also shown as an intermediate stop on the NXEA printed timetables.

However, Tottenham Hale is never listed on the departure boards for
Stansted Express at Liverpool Street Station. *All the other stops are
listed; only Tottenham Hale is absent. *Furthermore much of the station
staff has absolutely no idea that the train stops there. *(Usually the
staff on the departure platform know about it, but the employees at the
information desk have no clue, referring instead to the incorrect
information on the main departure board.)

Why does the station seemingly go out of its way to obscure the fact that
this train stops at Tottenhame Hale when this information is readily
available on the Stansted Express website and in their printed timetable?

Regards,
Tristan

It's because outbound Stanstead Express trains stop at Tottenham Hale to
pick up only, so it doesn't show up as a stop at Liverpool Street and
presumably keeps local passengers off the trains.

Same applies to some Stratford stops on Norwich trains for example.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It doesn't keep local passengers off the trains. I use the Stansted
Express all the time to get fron Liverpool Street to Tottenham Hale,
and vice versa. Incidentally, when you get on the train the automated
announcement says "..Welcome to the Stansted Express, this train calls
at Tottenham Hale......"

Tottenham Hale is not shown on the departure boards at Liverpool
Street to discourage local passengers, but it doesn't work and no
attempt is made to enforce this rule.

In article 6c19a17f-04ed-480d-924a-
, says...



It doesn't keep local passengers off the trains. I use the Stansted
Express all the time to get fron Liverpool Street to Tottenham Hale,
and vice versa. Incidentally, when you get on the train the automated
announcement says "..Welcome to the Stansted Express, this train calls
at Tottenham Hale......"

Tottenham Hale is not shown on the departure boards at Liverpool
Street to discourage local passengers, but it doesn't work and no
attempt is made to enforce this rule.

Agreed ... it doesn't keep me off Stratford ones either.

On 2011-02-28 15:01:49 +0000, Paul said:

On Feb 28, 2:24*pm, Jim [wake wrote:
In article ,
says...




It doesn't keep local passengers off the trains. I use the Stansted
Express all the time to get fron Liverpool Street to Tottenham Hale,
and vice versa. Incidentally, when you get on the train the automated
announcement says "..Welcome to the Stansted Express, this train calls
at Tottenham Hale......"

Tottenham Hale is not shown on the departure boards at Liverpool
Street to discourage local passengers, but it doesn't work and no
attempt is made to enforce this rule.

When an up Stansted Express calls at Tottenham Hale it is announced as
being for Liverpool St, so travel on the SE in that direction is hardly
discouraged.

I see to have a vague memory of real efforts being made to discourage
LS - TH only travel (and vv) when the service first started, presumably
to maintain the nice, tidy state of the empty class 322s then in use.
Now I suspect the only reason the restriction exists is because it
always has, unless it's because of ORCATS rules (yes, I know it's all a
single operator at the moment) or a BAA subsidy requirement.

On Feb 28, 7:14*pm, Ken Wheatley wrote:
On 2011-02-28 15:01:49 +0000, Paul said:





On Feb 28, 2:24 pm, Jim [wake wrote:
In article ,
says...

It doesn't keep local passengers off the trains. I use the Stansted
Express all the time to get fron Liverpool Street to Tottenham Hale,
and vice versa. Incidentally, when you get on the train the automated
announcement says "..Welcome to the Stansted Express, this train calls
at Tottenham Hale......"

Tottenham Hale is not shown on the departure boards at Liverpool
Street to discourage local passengers, but it doesn't work and no
attempt is made to enforce this rule.

When an up Stansted Express calls at Tottenham Hale it is announced as
being for Liverpool St, so travel on the SE in that direction is hardly
discouraged.

I see to have a vague memory of real efforts being made to discourage
LS - TH only travel (and vv) when the service first started, presumably
to maintain the nice, tidy state of the empty class 322s then in use.
Now I suspect the only reason the restriction exists is because it
always has, unless it's because of ORCATS rules (yes, I know it's all a
single operator at the moment) or a BAA subsidy requirement.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

In the early days of the Stansted Express, it was meant to be just an
airport service, and it ran non stop from Tottenham Hale to the
airport. Then people in places such as Harlow Town and Bishops
Stortford began demanding services to the airport, so some of the
services were stopped at those stations. So now you have airport
passengers mixing with commuters. If you have ever been on a Friday
afternoon departure from Liverpool Street, especially one which is
shortened to four carriages only, you know what a pain this can be,
with luggage blocking doorways, gangways and seats.

They didn't always advertise southbound Stansted Express services at
Tottenham Hale. So you could have a situation where the departure
board said the next train was in 20 minutes time, whereas locals in
the know would know that there would be one in two minutes.

I remember one occasion when the 07:55 to Liverpool Street (ex
Cambridge) was cancelled. The next train was the 07:59 Stansted
Express which was officially set down only. An announcement was made
to the effect that anyone who boarded the train would be charged a £10
penalty fare. Cue the air turning blue with plenty of four letter
words, plus lots of suggestions as to where they could stick the
Penalty Fare notices.

On 28/02/2011 14:24, Jim wrote:
In ,
says...

Greetings.

According to the Stansted Express page at
https://www.stanstedexpress.com/content.asp?SID={CCDA2073-5A28-4758-8F69-1AEA696C18ED}&pageid=52,
"All Stansted Express services call at Tottenham Hale". Tottenham Hale is
also shown as an intermediate stop on the NXEA printed timetables.

However, Tottenham Hale is never listed on the departure boards for
Stansted Express at Liverpool Street Station. All the other stops are
listed; only Tottenham Hale is absent. Furthermore much of the station
staff has absolutely no idea that the train stops there. (Usually the
staff on the departure platform know about it, but the employees at the
information desk have no clue, referring instead to the incorrect
information on the main departure board.)

Why does the station seemingly go out of its way to obscure the fact that
this train stops at Tottenhame Hale when this information is readily
available on the Stansted Express website and in their printed timetable?

Regards,
Tristan

It's because outbound Stanstead Express trains stop at Tottenham Hale to
pick up only, so it doesn't show up as a stop at Liverpool Street and
presumably keeps local passengers off the trains.

Same applies to some Stratford stops on Norwich trains for example.

Also Clapham Junction stops on Yeovil services.

"Jim" [wake ha scritto nel messaggio
m...
In article 6c19a17f-04ed-480d-924a-
, says...



It doesn't keep local passengers off the trains. I use the Stansted
Express all the time to get fron Liverpool Street to Tottenham Hale,
and vice versa. Incidentally, when you get on the train the automated
announcement says "..Welcome to the Stansted Express, this train calls
at Tottenham Hale......"

Tottenham Hale is not shown on the departure boards at Liverpool
Street to discourage local passengers, but it doesn't work and no
attempt is made to enforce this rule.

Agreed ... it doesn't keep me off Stratford ones either.


why should it prevent that? maybe because they want to avoid to have peak
workers and tourists on the same way.
Not sure anyway..

On Mar 1, 5:40*pm, "max" wrote:

"Jim" [wake ha scritto:

says...

It doesn't keep local passengers off the trains. I use the Stansted
Express all the time to get fron Liverpool Street to Tottenham Hale,
and vice versa. Incidentally, when you get on the train the automated
announcement says "..Welcome to the Stansted Express, this train calls
at Tottenham Hale......"

Tottenham Hale is not shown on the departure boards at Liverpool
Street to discourage local passengers, but it doesn't work and no
attempt is made to enforce this rule.

Agreed ... it doesn't keep me off Stratford ones either.

why should it prevent that? maybe because they want to avoid to have peak
workers and tourists on the same way.
Not sure anyway..

The timetabler was a Hammer and has it in for those who hail from the
Hale... (babel says no).