Am 31.12.2011 00:49, schrieb The Real Doctor:
Is that you defending the Gulags again?


That is YOUR cup of tea. YOU are the nostalgic of colonial
oppression, concentration camps and so on.

Am 30.12.2011 23:40, schrieb d:

answering Herr Zierke:

I think that this here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRhNAql6foA
qualifies for "moronic".
If you listen at 0:29 it says a message from the conductor asked them to leave
the train and the doors were opened onto the track, not the platform. So it
wasn't the passengers fault. Unless my french language isn't as good as I
thought.

I can confirm that your understanding is good enough.

I understood the first report about the Berlin S-Bahn failure also as
saying that the S-Bahn officials asked the passengers to leave the
trains and walk to the next station.


Cheers,
L.W.

Am 29.12.2011 13:15, schrieb Oliver Schnell:
The Berlin light rail train system, plagued by problems for years,
demonstrated today that it can, indeed get worse. Many cars have been
taken out of service for all sorts of ailments, and having pruned the
maintenance shops and the drivers to a bare minimum, there is no room
for dealing with problems. And there have been problems galore.

The Berlin S-Bahn getting "pruned" a little bit concerning staff still
needs significantly more staff per passenger kilometre, passenger carried,
train or seat kilometres or network length offered than any other S-Bahn
system in Germany.

This rotten company in Berlin should be closed. Tendering the S-Bahn

The hatred which Herr Schnell displays against the ex-GDR railway
workers defending their conquests of the past six decades makes him
blind for the fact that the problem did not occur in the realm of the
company he wants to close in order to send the workers into misery, but
in the realm of DB Netz AG, the company in the DB conglomerate which is
responsible for maintaining and operating the network. Analogue in
Britain is Network Rail.


Cheers,
L.W.

Am 29.12.2011 13:16, schrieb Hans-Joachim Zierke:
Many people were trapped in trains stranded between stations. Angry
passengers opened the doors, got out and walked the tracks to the
nearest station, continuing by bus, subway, or taxi.

It took about 3 hours after electricity was restored to have some sort
of traffic running.
Without the angry passengers, it might have been 1 hour. "Persons on the
tracks" means, that operation can't resume, even with everything back to
normal.


This TV report says that at least in some points the railway police
and the S-Bahn officials have led passengers from stranded trains to the
next station.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frCzY0fzlUE


Cheers,
L.W.

d schrieb:


If you listen at 0:29 it says a message from the conductor asked them to leave
the train and the doors were opened onto the track, not the platform. So it
wasn't the passengers fault.

That's one version. The other and more plausible version, which was
reported back then, went like this: Passengers were asked to walk to the
nearby platform, and doors released on the other side.

Adventurous youth then opened the trackside doors by emergency handle,
and cattle followed the leaders.

I don't know which version is true. I think that there will be a report
by the safety authorities, but I don't speak French.



Anyway: As soon as you ask passengers to leave the train, you have to
expect scenes like this, because even a well-staffed train never has
enough crew for crowd control.

Therefore, it's always "shutdown of traffic" as soon as there are
passengers on the tracks.



Hans-Joachim




--

Frieda Uffelmann * 15. August 1915 â€* 9. Dezember 2011

http://zierke.com/private/tante_frie...abgestellt.jpg

On Dec 30, 11:49*pm, The Real Doctor
wrote:
On 30/12/11 21:39, Lüko Willms wrote:

Show trials were held, yes. Mass killings not

Is that you defending the Gulags again?


He appears to be claiming Stalin didn't kill his political opponents.
Next stop: Holocaust denial.

ian

On Dec 31, 7:00*am, Lüko Willms wrote:
Am 31.12.2011 00:49, schrieb The Real Doctor:

Is that you defending the Gulags again?

* *That is YOUR cup of tea. YOU are the nostalgic of colonial
oppression, concentration camps and so on.

Let's be clear, in LW land: Stalin --- did he order people killed, or
not?

ian

On 31/12/11 07:00, Lüko Willms wrote:
Am 31.12.2011 00:49, schrieb The Real Doctor:
Is that you defending the Gulags again?


That is YOUR cup of tea. YOU are the nostalgic of colonial oppression,
concentration camps and so on.

No I'm not. Don't be silly, Lüko. The difference between us is that I
think Stalin's concentration camps were as bad as Hitler's and that
Soviet colonialism in Europe was as immoral as European colonialism in
Africa.

Ian

Am 31.12.2011 10:49, schrieb The Real Doctor:
The difference between us is that I think Stalin's concentration camps
were as bad as Hitler's and that Soviet colonialism in Europe was as
immoral as European colonialism in Africa.

You put that on equal terms in order to embellish the history of
colonialism.

You still stick to maintain as much as possible of the colonial
empire of your master. Poor slave...

Am 31.12.2011 09:02, schrieb ian batten:
claiming Stalin didn't kill his political opponents.

Do you?