Am 31.12.2011 12:09, schrieb ian batten:
Luko: why did people flee the DDR, even at risk to their lives, in
such numbers that the DDR needed armed guards to keep them in? If it
was as good as you say, why would people have been so keen to leave
it? And why didn't you live there while it existed?

This is completely irrelevant to the issue we are discussing he
the wishes which Herr Schnell voiced in this thread (and in many
variations in other forums and in his native tongue).

I also can't understand which you are bringing up the stalinist
bloody destruction of the Russian communist party and his murder of
revolutionaries. Herr Schnell does not propose to shoot or otherwise
kill the Berlin railway workers, he only wants to make them unemployed,
push them down in misery, so that they do no longer put up any
resistance to the capitalist exploitation, obeying to the whip and
bowing to a further driving down their wages and working conditions.

Herr Schnell detests that other people actually do not give up easily
their conquests which they had acquired over the past six decades or so.
He likes to point to the difference between workers in, say Hamburg or
Munich, who have lived all their lives under capitalism and those pesky
railway workers in Berlin who have not, and wants to subjugate those
into submission.



L.W.

Am 31.12.2011 12:07, schrieb The Real Doctor:
You still stick to maintain as much as possible of the colonial empire
of your master. Poor slave...

Nope. Couldn't care less about the remaining colonies.

Oh, talk about the Malvinas Islands, Ireland, what have you.

Am 31.12.2011 12:07, schrieb ian batten:
claiming Stalin didn't kill his political opponents.

Do you?
Your inability to answer a simple question shows you're either deluded
or a liar. How unusual on the hard left.

You digression into the stalinist destruction of the communist
movement is completely out of place here.

Nobody ever claimed that Herr Schnell wants to shoot or otherwise
kill the Berlin railway workers. What brings you up on this crazy story?


L.W.

Am 31.12.2011 12:13, schrieb The Real Doctor:
"According to the declassified Soviet archives, during 1937 and 1938,
the NKVD detained 1,548,366 victims, of whom 681,692 were shot - an
average of 1,000 executions a day"

Do you accuse Herr Schnell to want to kill those Berlin railway
workers he wants to drive into submission, like Stalin killed the
October revolution?

This would be going by far too far. There is no ground for claiming
such an outrage.


L.W.

Am 31.12.2011 12:10, schrieb The Real Doctor:
On 31/12/11 08:02, ian batten wrote:
Next stop: Holocaust denial.

I prefer those who deny to those who actually advocate war against
the "unwashed masses of this planet". And have a hangover from the
colonial empires.

On 31/12/2011 12:55, Lüko Willms wrote:
Am 31.12.2011 12:07, schrieb The Real Doctor:
You still stick to maintain as much as possible of the colonial empire
of your master. Poor slave...

Nope. Couldn't care less about the remaining colonies.

Oh, talk about the Malvinas Islands, Ireland, what have you.



So you can demonstrate your appalling ignorance of the situation in
those places?

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

On 31 Dec 2011 07:59:08 GMT
Hans-Joachim Zierke wrote:
Adventurous youth then opened the trackside doors by emergency handle,
and cattle followed the leaders.

Cattle are quite happy to sit for hours. People are not. If a railway company
does not want people wandering around on its tracks then it needs to sort out
its evacuation procedures for when there is a system breakdown. Just leaving
people sitting on a train for hours with no information is not an option as
the passengers will simply leave and its no good the train companies whining
about it because it's their fault.

B2003

On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 12:25:36 +0100, Oliver Schnell
wrote:

Am 31.12.2011 12:09, schrieb ian batten:

A man who believes that Stalin didn't kill anyone and the DDR was a
workers' paradise is hardly likely to let facts trouble him.

Luko: why did people flee the DDR, even at risk to their lives, in
such numbers that the DDR needed armed guards to keep them in?

Although I'm not Lügo, it is believed that it was just capitalistic
propaganda spread out through West German TV and - bananas:
http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archiv...L_1089244s.jpg
(Front cover of a West German magazine in November 1989)

That is possibly true to some extent in the same way that people often
travel thousands of miles legally or illegally to find to their
disappointment that e.g. the streets of London tend to be paved with
sh1t rather than gold and that some (note- only some) of the locals
are nastier than those they have left behind.
snip

Oliver Schnell schrieb:


Please name /any/ foreign investment of DB, which shows a decent ROI.

I have no idea, but this is irrelevant, concerning where the money comes
from.

I think the highest profit margin is achieved in Brandenburg, where all
the traffic went to DB Regio without bidding, and a short while later, DB
gave a nice advisor job to the former transport minister of Brandenburg,
in charge during that decisionmaking.
So the money comes from you, the taxpayer, paid into a corruption scheme,
then used to fulfill manager's dreams of a transport empire.

I'm not against managers trying to build a transport empire, but please,
with legitimate means, asking investors for the money, instead of purging
it from the taxpayers in the grey zone of "as long as we aren't
prosecuted and go into prison, our ways are fine".


We didn't get lower fares or more comfort.

Wochenendticket and Ländertickets meanwhile exist for quite a while

....and might lower the costs for 10% of ones journeys. This doesn't
balance the fare rises.

Without doubt, they have done a useful job of filling empty trains,
though, and admittedly, they really bring down travel costs for the
retired.



and
rotten Silberlinge are out of service or revamped (for the few remaining).

While they have been replaced by better stock at some places, examples
would be Eurobahn FLIRTs or the FLIRTs of DB in Rostock service, there
are also several hundred 425, which are considerably worse than a rotten
Silberling.
So I don't see progress at the bottom line.


Hans-Joachim

--

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Wolfgang Schwanke schrieb:


By US standards, it would be, but by US standards, the ICE is a light
rail system, too.

What?


Have a look at the weight of the Acela, in order to understand the
sentence. Acela is, what you get with FRA regulations.


Okay, this might be more useful for understanding:
http://zierke.com/shasta_route/siden...tyconcept.html




Hans-Joachim





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Frieda Uffelmann * 15. August 1915 â€* 9. Dezember 2011

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