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tim... wrote:

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 19:42:30 on Thu, 18 Feb
2016, tim... remarked:

https://thestack.com/security/2016/0...-causes-facebo
ok-furore/

Obviously public transport is a prime place for this to happen given
the crowding but a couple of things:

- Surely a POS terminal is linked to a traceable bank account which
means as soon as someone complains then the games up isn't it?
Unless they're even set the bank account and POS account up as
another unsuspecting victim.
- Wifi doesn't work well in the tube. Though LU have helpfully put
it in most (all?) underground stations now so I guess thats not an
issue.

Or just keep your contactless card in your wallet next to an Oyster,
and the "card clash" will ensure neither can be read.

Why would you let someone walk up to you and place a POS terminal on
the pocket containing your wallet (and then not punch him in the face
afterwards)?

It'd be inside a backpack,

doesn't seem to be an overly certain way to catch someone's wallet
pocket, to me

It doesn't need to be. Just harvest the low hanging fruit, in business
jargon terms.

I'm sure it relies on people not checking their credit card statements, at
least for items under £30.

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Colin Rosenstiel

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In article
-septembe
r.org, (Recliner) wrote:

tim... wrote:

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 19:42:30 on Thu, 18 Feb
2016, tim... remarked:

https://thestack.com/security/2016/0...-causes-facebo
ok-furore/

Obviously public transport is a prime place for this to happen given
the crowding but a couple of things:

- Surely a POS terminal is linked to a traceable bank account which
means as soon as someone complains then the games up isn't it?
Unless they're even set the bank account and POS account up as
another unsuspecting victim.
- Wifi doesn't work well in the tube. Though LU have helpfully put
it in most (all?) underground stations now so I guess thats not an
issue.

Or just keep your contactless card in your wallet next to an Oyster,
and the "card clash" will ensure neither can be read.

Why would you let someone walk up to you and place a POS terminal on
the pocket containing your wallet (and then not punch him in the face
afterwards)?

It'd be inside a backpack,

doesn't seem to be an overly certain way to catch someone's wallet
pocket, to me

It doesn't need to be. Just harvest the low hanging fruit, in business
jargon terms.

I'm sure it relies on people not checking their credit card statements, at
least for items under Ģ30.


Why would that be necessary? Even if someone does check their credit card
statements and spot the dodgy transactions, it might be weeks after the
fraud was committed. By then, the fraudsters will be long gone.

If the card owner can't block the scan physically, the only other way of
preventing the fraud would be for the card suppliers' systems to spot it in
real time and block or reverse the transactions.

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In article
-septembe
r.org, (Recliner) wrote:

tim... wrote:

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 19:42:30 on Thu, 18 Feb
2016, tim... remarked:

https://thestack.com/security/2016/0...-causes-facebo
ok-furore/

Obviously public transport is a prime place for this to happen
given
the crowding but a couple of things:

- Surely a POS terminal is linked to a traceable bank account which
means as soon as someone complains then the games up isn't it?
Unless they're even set the bank account and POS account up as
another unsuspecting victim.
- Wifi doesn't work well in the tube. Though LU have helpfully put
it in most (all?) underground stations now so I guess thats not an
issue.

Or just keep your contactless card in your wallet next to an Oyster,
and the "card clash" will ensure neither can be read.

Why would you let someone walk up to you and place a POS terminal on
the pocket containing your wallet (and then not punch him in the face
afterwards)?

It'd be inside a backpack,

doesn't seem to be an overly certain way to catch someone's wallet
pocket, to me

It doesn't need to be. Just harvest the low hanging fruit, in business
jargon terms.

I'm sure it relies on people not checking their credit card statements, at
least for items under £30.

since contactless came along I have made a point of being more rigorous in
my checking

I really don't think that there is a choice here

tim

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In article
-septembe
r.org,
(Recliner) wrote:

tim... wrote:

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 19:42:30 on Thu, 18 Feb
2016, tim... remarked:

https://thestack.com/security/2016/0...-causes-facebo
ok-furore/

Obviously public transport is a prime place for this to happen
given the crowding but a couple of things:

- Surely a POS terminal is linked to a traceable bank account
which means as soon as someone complains then the games up isn't
it? Unless they're even set the bank account and POS account up
as another unsuspecting victim.
- Wifi doesn't work well in the tube. Though LU have helpfully
put it in most (all?) underground stations now so I guess thats
not an issue.

Or just keep your contactless card in your wallet next to an
Oyster, and the "card clash" will ensure neither can be read.

Why would you let someone walk up to you and place a POS terminal
on the pocket containing your wallet (and then not punch him in the
face afterwards)?

It'd be inside a backpack,

doesn't seem to be an overly certain way to catch someone's wallet
pocket, to me

It doesn't need to be. Just harvest the low hanging fruit, in business
jargon terms.

I'm sure it relies on people not checking their credit card statements,
at least for items under £30.

since contactless came along I have made a point of being more
rigorous in my checking

How many people outside this newsgroup will have done the same, though? Not
many, I bet.

I really don't think that there is a choice here

Indeed.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In article
-septembe
r.org,
(Recliner) wrote:

tim... wrote:

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 19:42:30 on Thu, 18 Feb
2016, tim... remarked:

https://thestack.com/security/2016/0...-causes-facebo
ok-furore/

Obviously public transport is a prime place for this to happen
given the crowding but a couple of things:

- Surely a POS terminal is linked to a traceable bank account
which means as soon as someone complains then the games up isn't
it? Unless they're even set the bank account and POS account up
as another unsuspecting victim.
- Wifi doesn't work well in the tube. Though LU have helpfully
put it in most (all?) underground stations now so I guess thats
not an issue.

Or just keep your contactless card in your wallet next to an
Oyster, and the "card clash" will ensure neither can be read.

Why would you let someone walk up to you and place a POS terminal
on the pocket containing your wallet (and then not punch him in
the
face afterwards)?

It'd be inside a backpack,

doesn't seem to be an overly certain way to catch someone's wallet
pocket, to me

It doesn't need to be. Just harvest the low hanging fruit, in business
jargon terms.

I'm sure it relies on people not checking their credit card statements,
at least for items under £30.

since contactless came along I have made a point of being more
rigorous in my checking

How many people outside this newsgroup will have done the same, though?

I don't see what knowledge about use of contactless bank cards has got to do
with transport

1 in 10 card transactions are now done contactless (apparently)

That has to be because normal people are embracing it

tim