On 24.01.2017 2:59 PM, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:09:08 on Tue, 24 Jan
2017, Clank remarked:

No, the scarce resource is those deciding who to put on the list, and
handling complaints when people are denied boarding.

Since more or less by definition the people on the list are foreigners, the
UK will just adopt the existing Visa & Immigration Service approach to
handling complaints - to whit, saying "tough ****".

Any crackdown would set the ECHR alight with complaints.

I thought the while point of Brexit was that the UK could safely ignore the
ECHR

On 24.01.2017 3:01 PM, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:19:34 on Tue, 24 Jan
2017, Clank remarked:

You may not be aware, but the 'invitations' in Russia are purely a
money making scam - you can actually get an individual (or business) to
invite you, but it subjects them to a great deal of hassle and
paperwork so it's rarely done.

I may be one of those rare cases then.

You mean, "a pain in the arse for your hosts"? Colour me surprised ;-)

In message , at 13:10:39 on Tue, 24 Jan 2017,
Clank remarked:
No, the scarce resource is those deciding who to put on the list,
and handling complaints when people are denied boarding.

Since more or less by definition the people on the list are foreigners, the
UK will just adopt the existing Visa & Immigration Service approach to
handling complaints - to whit, saying "tough ****".

Any crackdown would set the ECHR alight with complaints.

I thought the while point of Brexit was that the UK could safely ignore the
ECHR

Oh - My - God.

The ECHR is nothing to do with the EU.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 13:11:52 on Tue, 24 Jan
2017, Clank remarked:

You may not be aware, but the 'invitations' in Russia are purely a
money making scam - you can actually get an individual (or business)
to invite you, but it subjects them to a great deal of hassle and
paperwork so it's rarely done.

I may be one of those rare cases then.

You mean, "a pain in the arse for your hosts"?

Someone worth the pain, I suppose.
--
Roland Perry

On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 12:58:34 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 11:43:47 on
Tue, 24 Jan 2017, Recliner remarked:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 11:23:07 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 10:54:01 on
Tue, 24 Jan 2017, Recliner remarked:
You think the anti-terrorist no-fly list would scale like that?

Yes, of course it would, why not? Hardware is cheap these days. For a
bigger database, all you need is more storage and more/faster CPUs.

No, the scarce resource is those deciding who to put on the list, and
handling complaints when people are denied boarding.

Better that it be done once, centrally,

By a huge team of people?

No. It's not some complex searching process, but simply keeping a
fairly small list of EU citizens who have UK criminal convictions or
have broken UK employment law. You're over-complicating it.

The complicated bit is proving they've broken employment law.

I thought we were told this is a huge problem with hundreds of thousands
of economic migrants from the EU.

Most of whom will still be allowed to work in the UK, post-Brexit.
Immigration isn't going to come to a grinding halt post-Brexit (unless
the economy tanks, and we have less need to recruit people).

That's going to lose a lot of votes in UKIP-aligned constituencies.

Most of those constituencies have few actual immigrants, just a fear
of them.

On 24.01.2017 3:27 PM, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:10:39 on Tue, 24 Jan 2017,
Clank remarked:
No, the scarce resource is those deciding who to put on the list,
and handling complaints when people are denied boarding.

Since more or less by definition the people on the list are foreigners, the
UK will just adopt the existing Visa & Immigration Service approach to
handling complaints - to whit, saying "tough ****".

Any crackdown would set the ECHR alight with complaints.

I thought the while point of Brexit was that the UK could safely ignore the
ECHR

Oh - My - God.

The ECHR is nothing to do with the EU.


Nevertheless, I thought Theresa May had indicated an intention to withdraw.
On googling I see I was right, but as on most things she had changed her
mind.

Does the ECHR grant a right to travel to a member state then? Because it
seems a bit of a waste of time leaving the EU if, as you suggest, it
does...

On 24.01.2017 3:28 PM, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:11:52 on Tue, 24 Jan
2017, Clank remarked:

You may not be aware, but the 'invitations' in Russia are purely a
money making scam - you can actually get an individual (or business)
to invite you, but it subjects them to a great deal of hassle and
paperwork so it's rarely done.

I may be one of those rare cases then.

You mean, "a pain in the arse for your hosts"?

Someone worth the pain, I suppose.

No matter how worthwhile I consider myself, I take the view that I am never
so special as to cause someone else inconvenience if there is an
alternative.

That you do not subscribe to this basic tenet surprises me not one iota...

In message , at 13:31:50 on
Tue, 24 Jan 2017, Recliner remarked:

That's going to lose a lot of votes in UKIP-aligned constituencies.

Most of those constituencies have few actual immigrants, just a fear
of them.

Exactly, those who fear will punish the Tories for a less than
diamond-hard Brexit.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:

I manage engineering teams in the US, India and the EU and I can say the rules
aren't black in white. They strongly depend on your visa legal counsel

I've never had one of those (other than perhaps the very first time I
got a classic USA 'indefinite' B1/B2, and that was decades ago).

Sorry - by visa counsel I meant a lawyer who specializes in visa issues. We have
enough complicated situations that we have an office that helps manage our
inbound and outbound visa applications for us.

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:31:50 on
Tue, 24 Jan 2017, Recliner remarked:

That's going to lose a lot of votes in UKIP-aligned constituencies.

Most of those constituencies have few actual immigrants, just a fear
of them.

Exactly, those who fear will punish the Tories for a less than
diamond-hard Brexit.

They're mainly Labour seats. And whatever flavour of Brexit we finally end
up with in perhaps 5-10 years time, it'll disappoint many Brexiteers and
most remainers. But, by then, few will remember or care what was promised
in 2016.