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Overhead wire in moorgate line stations
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Overhead wire in moorgate line stations
On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 16:01:32 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 14:27:35 +0000 " wrote: On 18.12.17 10:10, wrote: On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 23:44:02 +0000 "Clive D.W. Feather" wrote: In article , writes Anyone know why there's an overhead wire on the southbound of highbury station (and maybe others, I didn't check) on the moorgate line? Its obviously not some old catenary since the line was always 3rd/4th rail and its only hung from the ceiling by some thin wires anyway. Is it in case a pan is left up at Drayton? I believe that's the case, yes; it's not powered, it's just to stop the pan disassembing itself on the tunnel roof. I've a vague memory that it was put in when the line was handed over to BR. That seemed the most likely scenario to me. Wonder how often the pan gets left up on that line? Must happen occasionally. Is there nothing that will force a pan drop? One Metro-North, for example, the M2 runs dual-mode DC on 3rd rail and AC under the wire. I assume that the same happens with the newer M8. As soon as that train's shoes come into contact with live 3rd rail, the pantographs automatically come down. The train will not take power, Thats a bit sophisticated for UK railways. Plus if it was done automatically the RMT would probably call a strike about taking work away from its members, thin end of the wedge, blah blah. I'm amazed we managed to get ATO anywhere in this country. Is this not more likely to affect ASLEF members? |
Overhead wire in moorgate line stations
Scott wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 16:01:32 +0000 (UTC), wrote: On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 14:27:35 +0000 " wrote: On 18.12.17 10:10, wrote: On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 23:44:02 +0000 "Clive D.W. Feather" wrote: In article , writes Anyone know why there's an overhead wire on the southbound of highbury station (and maybe others, I didn't check) on the moorgate line? Its obviously not some old catenary since the line was always 3rd/4th rail and its only hung from the ceiling by some thin wires anyway. Is it in case a pan is left up at Drayton? I believe that's the case, yes; it's not powered, it's just to stop the pan disassembing itself on the tunnel roof. I've a vague memory that it was put in when the line was handed over to BR. That seemed the most likely scenario to me. Wonder how often the pan gets left up on that line? Must happen occasionally. Is there nothing that will force a pan drop? One Metro-North, for example, the M2 runs dual-mode DC on 3rd rail and AC under the wire. I assume that the same happens with the newer M8. As soon as that train's shoes come into contact with live 3rd rail, the pantographs automatically come down. The train will not take power, Thats a bit sophisticated for UK railways. Plus if it was done automatically the RMT would probably call a strike about taking work away from its members, thin end of the wedge, blah blah. I'm amazed we managed to get ATO anywhere in this country. Is this not more likely to affect ASLEF members? Yes, very much so. |
Overhead wire in moorgate line stations
On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 20:12:32 GMT
Recliner wrote: Scott wrote: On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 16:01:32 +0000 (UTC), wrote: Thats a bit sophisticated for UK railways. Plus if it was done automatically the RMT would probably call a strike about taking work away from its members, thin end of the wedge, blah blah. I'm amazed we managed to get ATO anywhere in this country. Is this not more likely to affect ASLEF members? Yes, very much so. Aslef tend to be somewhat less militant. The RMT meanwhile consistently use strike threats to blackmail management. IMO its time railways were considered critical national infrastructure and so employees on them banned from striking. |
Overhead wire in moorgate line stations
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On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 20:12:32 GMT Recliner wrote: Scott wrote: On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 16:01:32 +0000 (UTC), wrote: Thats a bit sophisticated for UK railways. Plus if it was done automatically the RMT would probably call a strike about taking work away from its members, thin end of the wedge, blah blah. I'm amazed we managed to get ATO anywhere in this country. Is this not more likely to affect ASLEF members? Yes, very much so. Aslef tend to be somewhat less militant. The RMT meanwhile consistently use strike threats to blackmail management. IMO its time railways were considered critical national infrastructure and so employees on them banned from striking. Militancy goes in and out of fashion. There was a time when ASLEF was extremely militant, and the NUR much more moderate. |
Overhead wire in moorgate line stations
I am nominating this as my THREAD OF THE YEAR!!
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Overhead wire in moorgate line stations
On Sun, 24 Dec 2017 17:08:39 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote: wrote: On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 20:12:32 GMT Recliner wrote: Scott wrote: On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 16:01:32 +0000 (UTC), wrote: Thats a bit sophisticated for UK railways. Plus if it was done automatically the RMT would probably call a strike about taking work away from its members, thin end of the wedge, blah blah. I'm amazed we managed to get ATO anywhere in this country. Is this not more likely to affect ASLEF members? Yes, very much so. Aslef tend to be somewhat less militant. The RMT meanwhile consistently use strike threats to blackmail management. IMO its time railways were considered critical national infrastructure and so employees on them banned from striking. One of the first steps on the way to totalitarianism. Militancy goes in and out of fashion. There was a time when ASLEF was extremely militant, and the NUR much more moderate. |
Overhead wire in moorgate line stations
On Sun, 24 Dec 2017 17:08:39 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote: wrote: On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 20:12:32 GMT Recliner wrote: Scott wrote: On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 16:01:32 +0000 (UTC), wrote: Thats a bit sophisticated for UK railways. Plus if it was done automatically the RMT would probably call a strike about taking work away from its members, thin end of the wedge, blah blah. I'm amazed we managed to get ATO anywhere in this country. Is this not more likely to affect ASLEF members? Yes, very much so. Aslef tend to be somewhat less militant. The RMT meanwhile consistently use strike threats to blackmail management. IMO its time railways were considered critical national infrastructure and so employees on them banned from striking. Militancy goes in and out of fashion. There was a time when ASLEF was extremely militant, and the NUR much more moderate. It depends a lot whose jobs are most under threat. In BR days, with a shrinking network and declining service, drivers were losing jobs proportionally faster than other roles on the railway. Post-privatisation, with expanding use of the railways but a shift towards driver-only operation, ASLEF is growing again but RMT membership is in significant decline. Expect ASLEF to suddenly start being militant again when automated trains reach the mainline. Mark |
Overhead wire in moorgate line stations
On Sun, 24 Dec 2017 19:44:04 +0000
Charles Ellson wrote: On Sun, 24 Dec 2017 17:08:39 -0000 (UTC), Recliner wrote: wrote: On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 20:12:32 GMT Recliner wrote: Scott wrote: On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 16:01:32 +0000 (UTC), wrote: Thats a bit sophisticated for UK railways. Plus if it was done automatically the RMT would probably call a strike about taking work away from its members, thin end of the wedge, blah blah. I'm amazed we managed to get ATO anywhere in this country. Is this not more likely to affect ASLEF members? Yes, very much so. Aslef tend to be somewhat less militant. The RMT meanwhile consistently use strike threats to blackmail management. IMO its time railways were considered critical national infrastructure and so employees on them banned from striking. One of the first steps on the way to totalitarianism. Keeping the country running is more important than your orwellian fantasies. Perhaps you think the police should be free to strike? |
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