On 14/01/2018 19:26, michael adams wrote:
"Robin" wrote in message
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On 14/01/2018 16:58, DRH wrote:

I travelled on about seven buses yesterday and every one had started moving
before the announcement chimed in. Maybe it needs to come before the route/destination
announcement, not after.

Which would mean people who have got on the wrong bus

What wrong bus ? On the very infrequent ocasions I use buses
the bus I use is the only bus on that particular route for around
80% of the distance. And only ever terminate at one destination
at either end.

Try inner London. In the past week alone I have been on 3 buses where
people were either on the wrong bus or in the wrong direction. From
stops with an average of 3 routes with very different destinations.

But I would support the gathering of statistically significant data on
such things to allow a rational decision.


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Robin
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"Recliner" wrote

The front doors don't open at every stop. Nor do the rear doors. But if
the front doors didn't open, presumably nobody boarded, and the annoying
announcement won't need to be played.

I have observed that the route/destination announcement is indeed omitted if
the entrance doors are not opened.

But TfL do operate some single doored (1-D) buses.


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Mike D

On 14/01/2018 20:35, Recliner wrote:
Richard J. wrote:
Robin wrote on 14 Jan 2018 at 17:40 ...
On 14/01/2018 16:58, DRH wrote:

I travelled on about seven buses yesterday and every one had started
moving before the announcement chimed in. Maybe it needs to come before the
route/destination announcement, not after.

Which would mean people who have got on the wrong bus are much less
likely to be able to get off before the next stop?

Serve them right. We don't want the bus held up at every stop in case
someone's got the wrong route.

According to the BBC "The alert is currently triggered by a computer that
sends out the message after the average amount of time a bus would spend
at a bus stop." That's crazy, because it means that half the messages
will be given too late. The only sensible way to time the message is to
link it to the closing of the front door. But there isn't really time to
get this 9-word message completed before the driver starts to move the
bus. Perhaps the message should be shortened to the conductors' cry of
"Hold tight" in the old days, as in "Hold tight" ding-ding!


The front doors don't open at every stop. Nor do the rear doors. But if
the front doors didn't open, presumably nobody boarded, and the annoying
announcement won't need to be played.

What about playing it when the bus was at a bus stop (GPS? or any of
the doors operatiing) and then the indicator was put on by the driver?

On 15/01/2018 11:01, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 14/01/2018 20:35, Recliner wrote:
Richard J. wrote:
Robin wrote on 14 Jan 2018 at 17:40 ...
On 14/01/2018 16:58, DRH wrote:

I travelled on about seven buses yesterday and every one had started
moving before the announcement chimed in. Maybe it needs to come
before the
route/destination announcement, not after.

Which would mean people who have got on the wrong bus are much less
likely to be able to get off before the next stop?

Serve them right. We don't want the bus held up at every stop in case
someone's got the wrong route.

According to the BBC "The alert is currently triggered by a computer
that
sends out the message after the average amount of time a bus would spend
at a bus stop."Â* That's crazy, because it means that half the messages
will be given too late.Â* The only sensible way to time the message is to
link it to the closing of the front door.Â* But there isn't really
time to
get this 9-word message completed before the driver starts to move the
bus.Â* Perhaps the message should be shortened to the conductors' cry of
"Hold tight" in the old days, as in "Hold tight" ding-ding!


The front doors don't open at every stop.Â* Nor do the rear doors. But if
the front doors didn't open, presumably nobody boarded, and the annoying
announcement won't need to be played.

What about playing it when the bus was at a bus stop (GPS?Â* or any of
the doors operatiing) and then the indicator was put on by the driver?

Possible disbenefit is that if the message plays while people are still
getting off the bus then you make them nervous/hurried, increasing the
number of injuries from their falls etc.


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Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On 15/01/2018 11:14, Robin wrote:
On 15/01/2018 11:01, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 14/01/2018 20:35, Recliner wrote:
Richard J. wrote:
Robin wrote on 14 Jan 2018 at 17:40 ...
On 14/01/2018 16:58, DRH wrote:

I travelled on about seven buses yesterday and every one had started
moving before the announcement chimed in. Maybe it needs to come
before the
route/destination announcement, not after.

Which would mean people who have got on the wrong bus are much less
likely to be able to get off before the next stop?

Serve them right. We don't want the bus held up at every stop in case
someone's got the wrong route.

According to the BBC "The alert is currently triggered by a computer
that
sends out the message after the average amount of time a bus would
spend
at a bus stop."Â* That's crazy, because it means that half the messages
will be given too late.Â* The only sensible way to time the message
is to
link it to the closing of the front door.Â* But there isn't really
time to
get this 9-word message completed before the driver starts to move the
bus.Â* Perhaps the message should be shortened to the conductors' cry of
"Hold tight" in the old days, as in "Hold tight" ding-ding!


The front doors don't open at every stop.Â* Nor do the rear doors. But if
the front doors didn't open, presumably nobody boarded, and the annoying
announcement won't need to be played.

What about playing it when the bus was at a bus stop (GPS?Â* or any of
the doors operating) and then the indicator was put on by the driver?

Possible disbenefit is that if the message plays while people are still
getting off the bus then you make them nervous/hurried, increasing the
number of injuries from their falls etc.


The driver shouldn't have put on his indicator until he is ready to move
off surely?

But yes, I agree with that. Also, once you start taking responsibility
for warning passengers, does that not mean you are assuming liability so
if the message is not played or played inappropriately passengers could
sue because they weren't warned as they reasonably could have been
expected to be?

On 15/01/2018 11:24, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 15/01/2018 11:14, Robin wrote:
On 15/01/2018 11:01, Someone Somewhere wrote:

What about playing it when the bus was at a bus stop (GPS?Â* or any of
the doors operating) and then the indicator was put on by the driver?

Possible disbenefit is that if the message plays while people are
still getting off the bus then you make them nervous/hurried,
increasing the number of injuries from their falls etc.


The driver shouldn't have put on his indicator until he is ready to move
off surely?

Sorry, yes, I misunderstood your proposition.

But yes, I agree with that.Â* Also, once you start taking responsibility
for warning passengers, does that not mean you are assuming liability so
if the message is not played or played inappropriately passengers could
sue because they weren't warned as they reasonably could have been
expected to be?



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Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 14/01/2018 20:35, Recliner wrote:
Richard J. wrote:
Robin wrote on 14 Jan 2018 at 17:40 ...
On 14/01/2018 16:58, DRH wrote:

I travelled on about seven buses yesterday and every one had started
moving before the announcement chimed in. Maybe it needs to come before the
route/destination announcement, not after.

Which would mean people who have got on the wrong bus are much less
likely to be able to get off before the next stop?

Serve them right. We don't want the bus held up at every stop in case
someone's got the wrong route.

According to the BBC "The alert is currently triggered by a computer that
sends out the message after the average amount of time a bus would spend
at a bus stop." That's crazy, because it means that half the messages
will be given too late. The only sensible way to time the message is to
link it to the closing of the front door. But there isn't really time to
get this 9-word message completed before the driver starts to move the
bus. Perhaps the message should be shortened to the conductors' cry of
"Hold tight" in the old days, as in "Hold tight" ding-ding!


The front doors don't open at every stop. Nor do the rear doors. But if
the front doors didn't open, presumably nobody boarded, and the annoying
announcement won't need to be played.

What about playing it when the bus was at a bus stop (GPS? or any of
the doors operatiing) and then the indicator was put on by the driver?


Well, they are responding to the criticism:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUUZdbcXUAA_NxA?format=jpg&name=large

So, more sensible new message, only played when the front doors have been
opened, and with the five sec delay already removed.

This announcement is no more.

Offramp wrote:
This announcement is no more.


It quietly disappeared long ago. It was just a short trial/