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Default Route 88 changes; and some consequences of the hopper fare

On Wednesday, 8 August 2018 18:26:21 UTC+1, Offramp wrote:
That most nebulous of all bus routes, the 88, is to be changed again.

The change is being made so as to annihilate the C2.

The white-ish paper is at https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/bus...8-consultation and includes this comment:

"Our Hopper fare means there is no longer a financial penalty for changing onto additional buses within one hour."

So it seems that the hopper fare concept can be used to split a long single route into two and making people change buses, because there is no pecuniary disadvantage.

BTW, has any route been altered more than the 88?


The Hopper fare is being used to justify the loss of many sections of bus route. Part of the 27 is being lost in Chiswick, the 224 is being axed in Wembley, the mass of cuts in and around Oxford St. There are also many more route massacres on their way. To coin a phrase "you ain't seen nothing yet". It's an accountant's wet dream as it allows the bus planners to rip the bus network to bits and leave the passengers (those that will be left) with the effort of taking multiple buses whereas today a journey can be done on one bus. One day I shall have to ask Caroline Pidgeon, who campaigned for the Hopper ticket, whether she also expected the bus network to be destroyed off the back of her initiative. Talk about unintended consequences.

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Default Route 88 changes; and some consequences of the hopper fare

On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 02:18:51 -0700 (PDT)
Paul Corfield wrote:
The Hopper fare is being used to justify the loss of many sections of bus r=
oute. Part of the 27 is being lost in Chiswick, the 224 is being axed in W=
embley, the mass of cuts in and around Oxford St. There are also many more=
route massacres on their way. To coin a phrase "you ain't seen nothing yet=
". It's an accountant's wet dream as it allows the bus planners to rip the =
bus network to bits and leave the passengers (those that will be left) with=
the effort of taking multiple buses whereas today a journey can be done on=
one bus. One day I shall have to ask Caroline Pidgeon, who campaigned fo=
r the Hopper ticket, whether she also expected the bus network to be destro=
yed off the back of her initiative. Talk about unintended consequences.


I suppose you could argue that shorter routes are more reliable as there's
less chance for delays to build up along it and bunching to occur.
I occasionally get the 121 which winds its way through half of north london
and during a weekday you can forget about the every 7-8 minutes on the
timetable.



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