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Default Route 88 changes; and some consequences of the hopper fare

On 08/08/2018 18:26, Offramp wrote:
That most nebulous of all bus routes, the 88, is to be changed again.

The change is being made so as to annihilate the C2.

The white-ish paper is at https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/bus...8-consultation and includes this comment:

"Our Hopper fare means there is no longer a financial penalty for changing onto additional buses within one hour."

So it seems that the hopper fare concept can be used to split a long single route into two and making people change buses, because there is no pecuniary disadvantage.

BTW, has any route been altered more than the 88?


I don't have a dog in that fight but - bearing in mind Paul Corfield's
comments - I was struck by the incredibly thin basis for rational
comments on that "consultation document" which had nothing about eg

- numbers of passengers affected
- effect on journey times
- costs/savings (for TfL & operators - not just passengers)
- impact on disabled (for whom changing a bus may be more of an issue)
- impact on traffic flows (or is that coded in the references to bus
stands?)

I don't know if TfL make available their formal impact assessment
covering such things. I'd hope they have one else decisions can't be
very rational. I've failed to find one but that may well be my
incompetence.

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On 08/08/2018 18:26, Offramp wrote:
That most nebulous of all bus routes, the 88, is to be changed again.

The change is being made so as to annihilate the C2.

The white-ish paper is at
https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/bus...8-consultation
and includes this comment:

"Our Hopper fare means there is no longer a financial penalty for
changing onto additional buses within one hour."

So it seems that the hopper fare concept can be used to split a long
single route into two and making people change buses, because there is no
pecuniary disadvantage.

BTW, has any route been altered more than the 88?


I don't have a dog in that fight but - bearing in mind Paul Corfield's
comments - I was struck by the incredibly thin basis for rational comments
on that "consultation document" which had nothing about eg

- numbers of passengers affected
- effect on journey times
- costs/savings (for TfL & operators - not just passengers)
- impact on disabled (for whom changing a bus may be more of an issue)
- impact on traffic flows (or is that coded in the references to bus
stands?)

I don't know if TfL make available their formal impact assessment covering
such things. I'd hope they have one else decisions can't be very
rational. I've failed to find one but that may well be my incompetence.


My LA did (and published) one of these assessment for changes that were
being proposed to our local routes to reduce the subsidy that they pay to
support the route.

I was amazed at the number of things that they had to consider as part of
the standard form. For a good 80% of the items the assessment had concluded
"not applicable" was a suitable answer.

(FTAOD I am not suggesting that they were wrong in that conclusion, I'm just
using this as an example of how comprehensive the process can be)

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Default Route 88 changes; and some consequences of the hopper fare

On Friday, 10 August 2018 10:41:10 UTC+1, Robin wrote:
On 08/08/2018 18:26, Offramp wrote:
That most nebulous of all bus routes, the 88, is to be changed again.

The change is being made so as to annihilate the C2.

The white-ish paper is at https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/bus...8-consultation and includes this comment:

"Our Hopper fare means there is no longer a financial penalty for changing onto additional buses within one hour."

So it seems that the hopper fare concept can be used to split a long single route into two and making people change buses, because there is no pecuniary disadvantage.

BTW, has any route been altered more than the 88?


I don't have a dog in that fight but - bearing in mind Paul Corfield's
comments - I was struck by the incredibly thin basis for rational
comments on that "consultation document" which had nothing about eg

- numbers of passengers affected
- effect on journey times
- costs/savings (for TfL & operators - not just passengers)
- impact on disabled (for whom changing a bus may be more of an issue)
- impact on traffic flows (or is that coded in the references to bus
stands?)

I don't know if TfL make available their formal impact assessment
covering such things. I'd hope they have one else decisions can't be
very rational. I've failed to find one but that may well be my
incompetence.


TfL do produce assessments of broken trips, longer wait times etc. The only time I've seen one published was for the extensive New Addington changes 3 years ago. It showed the numbers of people affected, demand levels, costs and benefits of the options considered etc. It was genuinely interesting. However I suspect TfL take the view that the public aren't bothered with such things or would not understand them. They've not published one since, sadly. The cynic in me says they don't like to release too much detail in case it is turned against them by someone who might spot flaws or inconsistencies in the assumptions, data or calculations.

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