On Sun, 26 May 2019 14:35:08 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

On Sat, 25 May 2019 21:59:38 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 25/05/2019 21:44, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

What baffles me is why why poor signal views in a tunnel would prevent
stopping at a station but would allow whizzing through. It sounds more
like the new trains are longer than the old ones and the driver's cab of
a stopped new train is the wrong side of the starter, and the in-cab
tech solution isn't working yet.


They're not longer, but have to stop further back for the driver, sitting
further back in the narrow cab, to be able to see the signal, as indicated
in the newspaper report I linked.

The trains are fully fitted for ERTMS, but it's not yet installed on the
line. I'm not sure when it'll go live. When it is, the lineside signals
will be removed.


Thanks, I didn't see that story. So can't they just stop a bit further
back, or do these new trains not have selective door opening? Or would
that leave them hanging into the previous block and killing the line
capacity?


Neither:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-cab-drivers-
window-passengers-danger.html

Looking at the cab pictures again, I wonder why they didn't put the drivers
equipment at shoulder or lower height as in most locomotives so he could see
to the right, and then put a window in the emergency door. That would probably
solve a lot of the visibility issues.

I think the emergency ramp folds against the inside of the door.

On Sun, 26 May 2019 14:32:07 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

On Sat, 25 May 2019 20:44:31 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

What baffles me is why why poor signal views in a tunnel would prevent
stopping at a station but would allow whizzing through. It sounds more
like the new trains are longer than the old ones and the driver's cab of
a stopped new train is the wrong side of the starter, and the in-cab
tech solution isn't working yet.


They're not longer, but have to stop further back for the driver, sitting
further back in the narrow cab, to be able to see the signal, as indicated
in the newspaper report I linked.

The trains are fully fitted for ERTMS, but it's not yet installed on the
line. I'm not sure when it'll go live. When it is, the lineside signals
will be removed.

Are they fitting all the lines out of KX? If its just the tunnel section to
moorgate it seems a bit overkill given AFAIK the max speed is only 30mph.

All the lines.

https://www.railengineer.co.uk/2018/11/15/the-digital-railway-progresses-to-the-east-coast-main-line/

On 26/05/2019 15:28, wrote:
On Sat, 25 May 2019 18:28:31 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
On 25/05/2019 15:57, wrote:
On Sat, 25 May 2019 15:26:41 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
On 25/05/2019 11:54, wrote:
They do. Followed shortly after by people rushing off the train.


Are these scheduled trains, or are they untimetabled extras going to
Gordon Hill? If I showed up at Old Street for an infrequent service to

The train was going to gordon hill but whether it was timetabled or not I
couldn't say.


Roughly what time did they leave Moorgate, and was it Sat/Sun/Other?

Around 2.30 on friday afternoon.


There are no scheduled Gordon Hill terminators leaving Moorgate between
0825 and 1625, so it's an extra and can stop and skip where it likes.

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On Sun, 26 May 2019 16:01:09 +0100
Recliner wrote:
On Sun, 26 May 2019 14:35:08 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:
Looking at the cab pictures again, I wonder why they didn't put the drivers
equipment at shoulder or lower height as in most locomotives so he could see
to the right, and then put a window in the emergency door. That would probably

solve a lot of the visibility issues.

I think the emergency ramp folds against the inside of the door.

Ah. A simple solution but probably not the smartest it turns out.

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:26:41 on Sat, 25 May
2019, Basil Jet remarked:

Incidentally, Watton-At-Stone now has practically no trains to
Stevenage on Monday to Fridays. The GBNRTT gives no hint of replacement
bus times.

There's long term engineering works near Stevenage, and I think the
replacement buses run "on demand".

There are no shortage of electric trains sitting around unused that
could run an hourly shuttle from Watton to Knebworth,

Wouldn't that involve a reversal at Stevenage?

but they can't be arsed.

Or the track's not available.

Google suggests there are three trains after midnight, which suggests that
the track is present and correct.


Anna Noyd-Dryver

In message , at 19:33:58 on Thu, 30 May
2019, Anna Noyd-Dryver remarked:
Incidentally, Watton-At-Stone now has practically no trains to
Stevenage on Monday to Fridays. The GBNRTT gives no hint of replacement
bus times.

There's long term engineering works near Stevenage, and I think the
replacement buses run "on demand".

There are no shortage of electric trains sitting around unused that
could run an hourly shuttle from Watton to Knebworth,

Wouldn't that involve a reversal at Stevenage?

but they can't be arsed.

Or the track's not available.

Google suggests there are three trains after midnight, which suggests that
the track is present and correct.

Enough to run a full service, during the day?
--
Roland Perry

On 31/05/2019 06:54, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 19:33:58 on Thu, 30 May
2019, Anna Noyd-Dryver remarked:
Incidentally, Watton-At-Stone now has practically no trains to
Stevenage on Monday to Fridays. The GBNRTT gives no hint of replacement
bus times.

There's long term engineering works near Stevenage, and I think the
replacement buses run "on demand".

There are no shortage of electric trains sitting around unused that
could run an hourly shuttle from Watton to Knebworth,

Wouldn't that involve a reversal at Stevenage?

but they can't be arsed.

Or the track's not available.

Google suggests there are three trains after midnight, which suggests
that
the track is present and correct.

Enough to run a full service, during the day?

Is bustituting an entire line on weekdays just so they can run more
trains on a different one a year before the paths to run both were
available unprecedented?

--
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Simple Kid - 2003 - SK1

In message , at 12:31:35 on Fri, 31 May
2019, Basil Jet remarked:
Incidentally, Watton-At-Stone now has practically no trains to
Stevenage on Monday to Fridays. The GBNRTT gives no hint of replacement
bus times.

There's long term engineering works near Stevenage, and I think the
replacement buses run "on demand".

There are no shortage of electric trains sitting around unused that
could run an hourly shuttle from Watton to Knebworth,

Wouldn't that involve a reversal at Stevenage?

but they can't be arsed.

Or the track's not available.

Google suggests there are three trains after midnight, which
suggests that
the track is present and correct.
Enough to run a full service, during the day?

Is bustituting an entire line on weekdays just so they can run more
trains on a different one a year before the paths to run both were
available unprecedented?

Not sure what element of that is the core of you question. Doing
engineering works ahead of time, or works on a main line needing an
adjacent branch line to be closed to facilitate it.
--
Roland Perry

On 31/05/2019 14:45, Roland Perry wrote:

Is bustituting an entire line on weekdays just so they can run more
trains on a different one a year before the paths to run both were
available unprecedented?

Not sure what element of that is the core of you question. Doing
engineering works ahead of time, or works on a main line needing an
adjacent branch line to be closed to facilitate it.

They're not closing the branch for engineering work. They're closing it
because they've stolen its weekday paths to strengthen services on the
main line.

--
Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to
Simple Kid - 2003 - SK1

In message , at 15:14:12 on Fri, 31 May
2019, Basil Jet remarked:
On 31/05/2019 14:45, Roland Perry wrote:

Is bustituting an entire line on weekdays just so they can run more
trains on a different one a year before the paths to run both were
available unprecedented?
Not sure what element of that is the core of you question. Doing
engineering works ahead of time, or works on a main line needing an
adjacent branch line to be closed to facilitate it.

They're not closing the branch for engineering work. They're closing it
because they've stolen its weekday paths to strengthen services on the
main line.

If that's the case, I've misconstrued the following reason posted by GN:

"We are providing rail replacement bus services while Network
Rail complete a major upgrade to Stevenage station and the track
that connects Stevenage with Watton-at-Stone and destinations
further south on the Hertford Loop. This upgrade involves the
construction of a new fifth platform at Stevenage and the track,
signalling and other infrastructure required to connect it to
Watton-at-Stone.

This major upgrade will mean that Great Northern can run more
trains per hour between Stevenage and Watton-at-Stone."

Is it possible that closing the branch line connection for the reasons
they give has *incidentally* released some main line paths which are
useful to LNER ahead of re-timing the whole line for IEP running and KGX
throat upgrade from 2020 (when the branch line reopens for normal
business)?
--
Roland Perry