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As I said if anyobe had bothered to read - I have relatives living in a
village near Huntingdon directly impacted by this bloody bypass. The amount
of farmland concreted over for it just so some drivers can save 15 mins is
obscene and thats before the extra pollution and noise is taken into account.

I don't know how much farmland is actually being taken long-term (I do
have the scheme plans, but I have better things to do), but there will
actually be *less* pollution and noise because people won't be sitting
in almost-stationary cars for ages with their engines running.

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If the old A14 were to be dug up
and returned to farmland it wouldn't be so bad but we all know the chances of
that happening are zero.

How do you expect people to get from Godmanchester or St. Ives to
Cambridge? Yes, you could dig up one of the two carriageways but I'm not
convinced that the work would be worth the effort.

How do you expect people to get from central Huntingdon or Stukeley
Meadows to the A1 or the A14? That's also "old A14".

Then there's the viaduct over the East Coast mainline, which has been
crumbling down for years. Rather than try to rebuild what's really a
Huntingdon inner ring road, the answer is a proper bypass.

Though oddly the viaduct has already been re-designated the A1307. Apparently
the danger of it falling down seem to have disappeared.

No, it hasn't. It's been redesignated "closed".

Google Maps hasn't caught up with the closure yet. But trust me, it's
closed. Go and look.

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Befo

https://goo.gl/maps/kQdqXtiP4Rso1T287

After:

https://goo.gl/maps/wa16mwZvgt9t7TnB9

What's your point? That road has a bridge over what, at the time, was a
building site. We all know that.

The area next to my village is in a *far* worse state than that and
getting home from Cambridge is a major pain at some times of day. But
I'm going to judge it when it's finished, not when it's half done.

(I haven't been on the new bit yet, but I strongly suspect that the
tidying up hasn't finished.)

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Aww, poor things, a whole 30 mins. They should try the 1+ hour jams I had to
endure on the north circular when I commuted by car. And that was 5 years ago,
probably worse now. Also how exactly do you get a 30 min jam in the few miles
that this bypass is avoiding from a tiny town like Huntingdon when its already
all dual carraigeway?

More cars in than can get out.

How do you get a 30 minute jam from just Godmanchester and St. Ives? The
traffic from Huntingdon will now, if it's got any sense, be using the
new road rather than going over the B1044 bridge.

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In message , at 21:23:02 on Fri, 13 Dec
2019, Clive D.W. Feather remarked:
In article , writes
If the old A14 were to be dug up
and returned to farmland it wouldn't be so bad but we all know the chances of
that happening are zero.

How do you expect people to get from Godmanchester or St. Ives to
Cambridge? Yes, you could dig up one of the two carriageways but I'm not
convinced that the work would be worth the effort.

How do you expect people to get from central Huntingdon or Stukeley
Meadows to the A1 or the A14? That's also "old A14".

Then there's the viaduct over the East Coast mainline, which has been
crumbling down for years. Rather than try to rebuild what's really a
Huntingdon inner ring road, the answer is a proper bypass.

Though oddly the viaduct has already been re-designated the A1307. Apparently
the danger of it falling down seem to have disappeared.

No, it hasn't. It's been redesignated "closed".

Google Maps hasn't caught up with the closure yet.

It has, if you turn on "traffic".

But trust me, it's closed. Go and look.


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On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 21:18:51 +0000
"Clive D.W. Feather" wrote:
In article , writes
As I said if anyobe had bothered to read - I have relatives living in a
village near Huntingdon directly impacted by this bloody bypass. The amount
of farmland concreted over for it just so some drivers can save 15 mins is
obscene and thats before the extra pollution and noise is taken into account.

I don't know how much farmland is actually being taken long-term (I do
have the scheme plans, but I have better things to do), but there will
actually be *less* pollution and noise because people won't be sitting
in almost-stationary cars for ages with their engines running.

Ah, the old build more roads to solve congestion and pollution fallacy.

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In message , at 09:18:56 on Sat, 14 Dec
2019, remarked:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 21:18:51 +0000
"Clive D.W. Feather" wrote:
In article , writes
As I said if anyobe had bothered to read - I have relatives living in a
village near Huntingdon directly impacted by this bloody bypass. The amount
of farmland concreted over for it just so some drivers can save 15 mins is
obscene and thats before the extra pollution and noise is taken into account.

I don't know how much farmland is actually being taken long-term (I do
have the scheme plans, but I have better things to do), but there will
actually be *less* pollution and noise because people won't be sitting
in almost-stationary cars for ages with their engines running.

Ah, the old build more roads to solve congestion and pollution fallacy.

If planned properly, they work fine.

The A1 from Huntingdon to Peterborough was built 20yrs ago, and I've
never seen a traffic jam on it (at one time I used it most weekdays, and
luckily on the bit of A14 feeding it I was going against the tidal flow,
but the other direction on the A14 was stationary traffic for miles).
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On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 10:12:42 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:18:56 on Sat, 14 Dec
2019, remarked:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 21:18:51 +0000
"Clive D.W. Feather" wrote:
In article , writes
As I said if anyobe had bothered to read - I have relatives living in a
village near Huntingdon directly impacted by this bloody bypass. The amount
of farmland concreted over for it just so some drivers can save 15 mins is
obscene and thats before the extra pollution and noise is taken into
account.

I don't know how much farmland is actually being taken long-term (I do
have the scheme plans, but I have better things to do), but there will
actually be *less* pollution and noise because people won't be sitting
in almost-stationary cars for ages with their engines running.

Ah, the old build more roads to solve congestion and pollution fallacy.

If planned properly, they work fine.

Sure, it all goes to plan for a few years. Then ever more people start to use
the route and in a decade or so you're back where you started except now the
jams have twice as many cars with twice the pollution. The best example of this
in the UK is the M25. No matter how much they widen it it just jams up again
in a few years. It has 6 lanes each way around Heathrow yet they're still often
jammed solid in the rush hour. So what do you do, widen it to 8 lanes, 10?
Where does it stop?

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In message , at 16:58:48 on Sat, 14 Dec
2019, remarked:
On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 10:12:42 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:18:56 on Sat, 14 Dec
2019, remarked:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 21:18:51 +0000
"Clive D.W. Feather" wrote:
In article , writes
As I said if anyobe had bothered to read - I have relatives living in a
village near Huntingdon directly impacted by this bloody bypass. The amount
of farmland concreted over for it just so some drivers can save 15 mins is
obscene and thats before the extra pollution and noise is taken into
account.

I don't know how much farmland is actually being taken long-term (I do
have the scheme plans, but I have better things to do), but there will
actually be *less* pollution and noise because people won't be sitting
in almost-stationary cars for ages with their engines running.

Ah, the old build more roads to solve congestion and pollution fallacy.

If planned properly, they work fine.

Sure, it all goes to plan for a few years. Then ever more people start to use
the route and in a decade or so you're back where you started except now the
jams have twice as many cars with twice the pollution. The best example of this
in the UK is the M25. No matter how much they widen it it just jams up again
in a few years. It has 6 lanes each way around Heathrow yet they're still often
jammed solid in the rush hour. So what do you do, widen it to 8 lanes, 10?
Where does it stop?

When they plan it better and segregate the long distance and local
traffic. The problem with that bit of the M25 (and I lived *there* 25yrs
ago and saw it first hand) was mixing them up.

The newest bit of A14 (remember, the road we are discussing) segregates
them, just as the A1(M) north of Huntingdon does, the road which hasn't
shown any sign of jamming up 20yrs later.
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wrote:
On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 10:12:42 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:18:56 on Sat, 14 Dec
2019, remarked:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 21:18:51 +0000
"Clive D.W. Feather" wrote:
In article , writes
As I said if anyobe had bothered to read - I have relatives living in a
village near Huntingdon directly impacted by this bloody bypass. The amount
of farmland concreted over for it just so some drivers can save 15 mins is
obscene and thats before the extra pollution and noise is taken into
account.

I don't know how much farmland is actually being taken long-term (I do
have the scheme plans, but I have better things to do), but there will
actually be *less* pollution and noise because people won't be sitting
in almost-stationary cars for ages with their engines running.

Ah, the old build more roads to solve congestion and pollution fallacy.

If planned properly, they work fine.

Sure, it all goes to plan for a few years. Then ever more people start to use
the route and in a decade or so you're back where you started except now the
jams have twice as many cars with twice the pollution. The best example of this
in the UK is the M25. No matter how much they widen it it just jams up again
in a few years. It has 6 lanes each way around Heathrow yet they're still often
jammed solid in the rush hour. So what do you do, widen it to 8 lanes, 10?
Where does it stop?

By stopping people breeding or the population increasing by immigration.

We entered a period of what is going to be a generation of political
upheaval partly to deal with the expectations by some that the latter can
be managed in some way that pleases them.
The other can only be done in a civilised society by encouragement .
If people have only two children they are just replacing themselves but
many have more.

GH