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Befo

https://goo.gl/maps/kQdqXtiP4Rso1T287

After:

https://goo.gl/maps/wa16mwZvgt9t7TnB9


What's your point? That road has a bridge over what, at the time, was a
building site. We all know that.

The area next to my village is in a *far* worse state than that and
getting home from Cambridge is a major pain at some times of day. But
I'm going to judge it when it's finished, not when it's half done.

(I haven't been on the new bit yet, but I strongly suspect that the
tidying up hasn't finished.)

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On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 10:12:42 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:18:56 on Sat, 14 Dec
2019, remarked:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 21:18:51 +0000
"Clive D.W. Feather" wrote:
In article ,
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As I said if anyobe had bothered to read - I have relatives living in a
village near Huntingdon directly impacted by this bloody bypass. The amount
of farmland concreted over for it just so some drivers can save 15 mins is
obscene and thats before the extra pollution and noise is taken into

account.

I don't know how much farmland is actually being taken long-term (I do
have the scheme plans, but I have better things to do), but there will
actually be *less* pollution and noise because people won't be sitting
in almost-stationary cars for ages with their engines running.


Ah, the old build more roads to solve congestion and pollution fallacy.


If planned properly, they work fine.


Sure, it all goes to plan for a few years. Then ever more people start to use
the route and in a decade or so you're back where you started except now the
jams have twice as many cars with twice the pollution. The best example of this
in the UK is the M25. No matter how much they widen it it just jams up again
in a few years. It has 6 lanes each way around Heathrow yet they're still often
jammed solid in the rush hour. So what do you do, widen it to 8 lanes, 10?
Where does it stop?


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In message , at 16:58:48 on Sat, 14 Dec
2019, remarked:
On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 10:12:42 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:18:56 on Sat, 14 Dec
2019,
remarked:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 21:18:51 +0000
"Clive D.W. Feather" wrote:
In article ,
writes
As I said if anyobe had bothered to read - I have relatives living in a
village near Huntingdon directly impacted by this bloody bypass. The amount
of farmland concreted over for it just so some drivers can save 15 mins is
obscene and thats before the extra pollution and noise is taken into

account.

I don't know how much farmland is actually being taken long-term (I do
have the scheme plans, but I have better things to do), but there will
actually be *less* pollution and noise because people won't be sitting
in almost-stationary cars for ages with their engines running.

Ah, the old build more roads to solve congestion and pollution fallacy.


If planned properly, they work fine.


Sure, it all goes to plan for a few years. Then ever more people start to use
the route and in a decade or so you're back where you started except now the
jams have twice as many cars with twice the pollution. The best example of this
in the UK is the M25. No matter how much they widen it it just jams up again
in a few years. It has 6 lanes each way around Heathrow yet they're still often
jammed solid in the rush hour. So what do you do, widen it to 8 lanes, 10?
Where does it stop?


When they plan it better and segregate the long distance and local
traffic. The problem with that bit of the M25 (and I lived *there* 25yrs
ago and saw it first hand) was mixing them up.

The newest bit of A14 (remember, the road we are discussing) segregates
them, just as the A1(M) north of Huntingdon does, the road which hasn't
shown any sign of jamming up 20yrs later.
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wrote:
On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 10:12:42 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:18:56 on Sat, 14 Dec
2019, remarked:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 21:18:51 +0000
"Clive D.W. Feather" wrote:
In article ,
writes
As I said if anyobe had bothered to read - I have relatives living in a
village near Huntingdon directly impacted by this bloody bypass. The amount
of farmland concreted over for it just so some drivers can save 15 mins is
obscene and thats before the extra pollution and noise is taken into

account.

I don't know how much farmland is actually being taken long-term (I do
have the scheme plans, but I have better things to do), but there will
actually be *less* pollution and noise because people won't be sitting
in almost-stationary cars for ages with their engines running.

Ah, the old build more roads to solve congestion and pollution fallacy.


If planned properly, they work fine.


Sure, it all goes to plan for a few years. Then ever more people start to use
the route and in a decade or so you're back where you started except now the
jams have twice as many cars with twice the pollution. The best example of this
in the UK is the M25. No matter how much they widen it it just jams up again
in a few years. It has 6 lanes each way around Heathrow yet they're still often
jammed solid in the rush hour. So what do you do, widen it to 8 lanes, 10?
Where does it stop?

By stopping people breeding or the population increasing by immigration.

We entered a period of what is going to be a generation of political
upheaval partly to deal with the expectations by some that the latter can
be managed in some way that pleases them.
The other can only be done in a civilised society by encouragement .
If people have only two children they are just replacing themselves but
many have more.

GH



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