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Recliner[_4_] January 27th 20 12:49 PM

Excellent picture of a broken rail following a derailment
 
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:34:55 +0000,
wrote:

https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/01...rk-starts.html

Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin.

Dick January 27th 20 01:29 PM

Excellent picture of a broken rail following a derailment
 

"Recliner" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:34:55 +0000,
wrote:

https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/01...rk-starts.html

Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin.


Do we know if the broken rail caused the derailment or whether the derailed
train caused the damage shown in the photo?


Basil Jet[_4_] January 27th 20 02:48 PM

Excellent picture of a broken rail following a derailment
 
On 27/01/2020 13:49, Recliner wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:34:55 +0000,
wrote:

https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/01...rk-starts.html

Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin.


"Eight bridges were also damaged"

Holy crap!

--
Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to
Omni - 2017 - Multi-Task

[email protected] January 27th 20 02:56 PM

Excellent picture of a broken rail following a derailment
 
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:48:32 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
On 27/01/2020 13:49, Recliner wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:34:55 +0000,
wrote:


https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/01...-freight-train
-derails-repair-work-starts.html

Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin.


"Eight bridges were also damaged"

Holy crap!


Whatever if any warning systems there are on the train to warn the driver
of a possible derailment clearly didn't work if it took him 2 miles to
notice since if the freight on the Goblin runs at the same speed as the NLL
then it was probably trundling along at under 30mph so could have stopped
fairly quickly.


Basil Jet[_4_] January 27th 20 02:59 PM

Excellent picture of a broken rail following a derailment
 
On 27/01/2020 15:56, wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:48:32 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
On 27/01/2020 13:49, Recliner wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:34:55 +0000,
wrote:


https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/01...-freight-train
-derails-repair-work-starts.html

Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin.


"Eight bridges were also damaged"

Holy crap!


Whatever if any warning systems there are on the train to warn the driver
of a possible derailment clearly didn't work if it took him 2 miles to
notice since if the freight on the Goblin runs at the same speed as the NLL
then it was probably trundling along at under 30mph so could have stopped
fairly quickly.


Although it goes under 8 bridges in 600 metres in Walthamstow.

--
Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to
Omni - 2017 - Multi-Task

Recliner[_4_] January 27th 20 03:04 PM

Excellent picture of a broken rail following a derailment
 
wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:48:32 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
On 27/01/2020 13:49, Recliner wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:34:55 +0000,
wrote:


https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/01...-freight-train
-derails-repair-work-starts.html

Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin.


"Eight bridges were also damaged"

Holy crap!


Whatever if any warning systems there are on the train to warn the driver
of a possible derailment clearly didn't work if it took him 2 miles to
notice since if the freight on the Goblin runs at the same speed as the NLL
then it was probably trundling along at under 30mph so could have stopped
fairly quickly.



Is there any such warning system?


[email protected] January 27th 20 04:25 PM

Excellent picture of a broken rail following a derailment
 
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 16:04:36 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:48:32 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
On 27/01/2020 13:49, Recliner wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:34:55 +0000,
wrote:



https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/01...-freight-train

-derails-repair-work-starts.html

Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin.


"Eight bridges were also damaged"

Holy crap!


Whatever if any warning systems there are on the train to warn the driver
of a possible derailment clearly didn't work if it took him 2 miles to
notice since if the freight on the Goblin runs at the same speed as the NLL
then it was probably trundling along at under 30mph so could have stopped
fairly quickly.



Is there any such warning system?


Don't know. But don't freight logos have wing mirrors so the driver can spot
any problems down the train like a wagon out of line or dust being thrown up?


[email protected] January 27th 20 05:21 PM

Excellent picture of a broken rail following a derailment
 
On 27/01/2020 16:04, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:48:32 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
On 27/01/2020 13:49, Recliner wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:34:55 +0000,
wrote:


https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/01...-freight-train
-derails-repair-work-starts.html

Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin.


"Eight bridges were also damaged"

Holy crap!


Whatever if any warning systems there are on the train to warn the driver
of a possible derailment clearly didn't work if it took him 2 miles to
notice since if the freight on the Goblin runs at the same speed as the NLL
then it was probably trundling along at under 30mph so could have stopped
fairly quickly.



Is there any such warning system?


I don't know if there is anything on board, though I would imagine that
line controllers could see that and be able to call a Code Red.


The Alaska Railroad has something in the event of tracks being somehow
compromised.

[email protected] January 27th 20 05:25 PM

Excellent picture of a broken rail following a derailment
 
On 27/01/2020 18:21, wrote:
On 27/01/2020 16:04, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:48:32 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
On 27/01/2020 13:49, Recliner wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:34:55 +0000,
wrote:


https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/01...-freight-train

-derails-repair-work-starts.html

Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin.


"Eight bridges were also damaged"

Holy crap!

Whatever if any warning systems there are on the train to warn the
driver
of a possible derailment clearly didn't work if it took him 2 miles to
notice since if the freight on the Goblin runs at the same speed as
the NLL
then it was probably trundling along at under 30mph so could have
stopped
fairly quickly.



Is there any such warning system?


I don't know if there is anything on board, though I would imagine that
line controllers could see that and be able to call a Code Red.


The Alaska Railroad has something in the event of tracks being somehow
compromised.


That is to say, their locomotives are fitted with a warning system if
the track ahead is compromised.

Anna Noyd-Dryver January 28th 20 09:05 AM

Excellent picture of a broken rail following a derailment
 
wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:48:32 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
On 27/01/2020 13:49, Recliner wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:34:55 +0000,
wrote:


https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/01...-freight-train
-derails-repair-work-starts.html

Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin.


"Eight bridges were also damaged"

Holy crap!


Whatever if any warning systems there are on the train to warn the driver
of a possible derailment clearly didn't work if it took him 2 miles to
notice since if the freight on the Goblin runs at the same speed as the NLL
then it was probably trundling along at under 30mph so could have stopped
fairly quickly.


What warning systems might those be?

Unless the driver can feel a difference in the resistance/behaviour of the
train, or the affected wagon is near enough to the front of the train that
the driver can hear it, then you rely on one of two things for the problem
to be discovered:

If the train divides, the brakes will apply; similarly if the damage to a
wagon is enough to split part of the brake pipe (or main res pipe if
fitted/in use). Some wagons have hot axle box detection systems which vent
the brake pipe (usually those with inside bearings ie which won't be
detected by lineside hot box detectors).

As the train damages track it'll leave faults behind it, and the signaller,
upon seeing these, should stop the train.
https://www.gov.uk/raib-reports/report-17-2018-extensive-track-damage-between-ferryside-and-llangennech
refers, in part.

The other possibility is the problem being reported by station/lineside
staff or a passing train.


Anna Noyd-Dryver



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