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Excellent picture of a broken rail following a derailment
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Excellent picture of a broken rail following a derailment
"Recliner" wrote in message ... On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:34:55 +0000, wrote: https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/01...rk-starts.html Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin. Do we know if the broken rail caused the derailment or whether the derailed train caused the damage shown in the photo? |
Excellent picture of a broken rail following a derailment
On 27/01/2020 13:49, Recliner wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:34:55 +0000, wrote: https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/01...rk-starts.html Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin. "Eight bridges were also damaged" Holy crap! -- Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to Omni - 2017 - Multi-Task |
Excellent picture of a broken rail following a derailment
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:48:32 +0000
Basil Jet wrote: On 27/01/2020 13:49, Recliner wrote: On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:34:55 +0000, wrote: https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/01...-freight-train -derails-repair-work-starts.html Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin. "Eight bridges were also damaged" Holy crap! Whatever if any warning systems there are on the train to warn the driver of a possible derailment clearly didn't work if it took him 2 miles to notice since if the freight on the Goblin runs at the same speed as the NLL then it was probably trundling along at under 30mph so could have stopped fairly quickly. |
Excellent picture of a broken rail following a derailment
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On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:48:32 +0000 Basil Jet wrote: On 27/01/2020 13:49, Recliner wrote: On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:34:55 +0000, wrote: https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/01...-freight-train -derails-repair-work-starts.html Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin. "Eight bridges were also damaged" Holy crap! Whatever if any warning systems there are on the train to warn the driver of a possible derailment clearly didn't work if it took him 2 miles to notice since if the freight on the Goblin runs at the same speed as the NLL then it was probably trundling along at under 30mph so could have stopped fairly quickly. Is there any such warning system? |
Excellent picture of a broken rail following a derailment
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 16:04:36 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote: wrote: On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:48:32 +0000 Basil Jet wrote: On 27/01/2020 13:49, Recliner wrote: On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:34:55 +0000, wrote: https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/01...-freight-train -derails-repair-work-starts.html Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin. "Eight bridges were also damaged" Holy crap! Whatever if any warning systems there are on the train to warn the driver of a possible derailment clearly didn't work if it took him 2 miles to notice since if the freight on the Goblin runs at the same speed as the NLL then it was probably trundling along at under 30mph so could have stopped fairly quickly. Is there any such warning system? Don't know. But don't freight logos have wing mirrors so the driver can spot any problems down the train like a wagon out of line or dust being thrown up? |
Excellent picture of a broken rail following a derailment
On 27/01/2020 16:04, Recliner wrote:
wrote: On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:48:32 +0000 Basil Jet wrote: On 27/01/2020 13:49, Recliner wrote: On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:34:55 +0000, wrote: https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/01...-freight-train -derails-repair-work-starts.html Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin. "Eight bridges were also damaged" Holy crap! Whatever if any warning systems there are on the train to warn the driver of a possible derailment clearly didn't work if it took him 2 miles to notice since if the freight on the Goblin runs at the same speed as the NLL then it was probably trundling along at under 30mph so could have stopped fairly quickly. Is there any such warning system? I don't know if there is anything on board, though I would imagine that line controllers could see that and be able to call a Code Red. The Alaska Railroad has something in the event of tracks being somehow compromised. |
Excellent picture of a broken rail following a derailment
On 27/01/2020 18:21, wrote:
On 27/01/2020 16:04, Recliner wrote: wrote: On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:48:32 +0000 Basil Jet wrote: On 27/01/2020 13:49, Recliner wrote: On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:34:55 +0000, wrote: https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/01...-freight-train -derails-repair-work-starts.html Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin. "Eight bridges were also damaged" Holy crap! Whatever if any warning systems there are on the train to warn the driver of a possible derailment clearly didn't work if it took him 2 miles to notice since if the freight on the Goblin runs at the same speed as the NLL then it was probably trundling along at under 30mph so could have stopped fairly quickly. Is there any such warning system? I don't know if there is anything on board, though I would imagine that line controllers could see that and be able to call a Code Red. The Alaska Railroad has something in the event of tracks being somehow compromised. That is to say, their locomotives are fitted with a warning system if the track ahead is compromised. |
Excellent picture of a broken rail following a derailment
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On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:48:32 +0000 Basil Jet wrote: On 27/01/2020 13:49, Recliner wrote: On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:34:55 +0000, wrote: https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/01...-freight-train -derails-repair-work-starts.html Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin. "Eight bridges were also damaged" Holy crap! Whatever if any warning systems there are on the train to warn the driver of a possible derailment clearly didn't work if it took him 2 miles to notice since if the freight on the Goblin runs at the same speed as the NLL then it was probably trundling along at under 30mph so could have stopped fairly quickly. What warning systems might those be? Unless the driver can feel a difference in the resistance/behaviour of the train, or the affected wagon is near enough to the front of the train that the driver can hear it, then you rely on one of two things for the problem to be discovered: If the train divides, the brakes will apply; similarly if the damage to a wagon is enough to split part of the brake pipe (or main res pipe if fitted/in use). Some wagons have hot axle box detection systems which vent the brake pipe (usually those with inside bearings ie which won't be detected by lineside hot box detectors). As the train damages track it'll leave faults behind it, and the signaller, upon seeing these, should stop the train. https://www.gov.uk/raib-reports/report-17-2018-extensive-track-damage-between-ferryside-and-llangennech refers, in part. The other possibility is the problem being reported by station/lineside staff or a passing train. Anna Noyd-Dryver |
Excellent picture of a broken rail following a derailment
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On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 16:04:36 -0000 (UTC) Recliner wrote: wrote: On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:48:32 +0000 Basil Jet wrote: On 27/01/2020 13:49, Recliner wrote: On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:34:55 +0000, wrote: https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/01...-freight-train -derails-repair-work-starts.html Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin. "Eight bridges were also damaged" Holy crap! Whatever if any warning systems there are on the train to warn the driver of a possible derailment clearly didn't work if it took him 2 miles to notice since if the freight on the Goblin runs at the same speed as the NLL then it was probably trundling along at under 30mph so could have stopped fairly quickly. Is there any such warning system? Don't know. But don't freight logos have wing mirrors so the driver can spot any problems down the train like a wagon out of line or dust being thrown up? That's fine if you're on dead straight track. Add in a curve, particularly reverse curves, or lineside structures/foliage, and your chances of seeing the back of the train are minimal. The mirrors on 66s were installed for assistance during shunting rather than to see back down a train in motion, IIRC. Anna Noyd-Dryver |
Excellent picture of a broken rail following a derailment
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On 27/01/2020 16:04, Recliner wrote: wrote: On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:48:32 +0000 Basil Jet wrote: On 27/01/2020 13:49, Recliner wrote: On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:34:55 +0000, wrote: https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/01...-freight-train -derails-repair-work-starts.html Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin. "Eight bridges were also damaged" Holy crap! Whatever if any warning systems there are on the train to warn the driver of a possible derailment clearly didn't work if it took him 2 miles to notice since if the freight on the Goblin runs at the same speed as the NLL then it was probably trundling along at under 30mph so could have stopped fairly quickly. Is there any such warning system? I don't know if there is anything on board, though I would imagine that line controllers could see that and be able to call a Code Red. Signallers will notice when trackside equipment is damaged by the train, though the first few faults are likely to be assumed to be just normal faults, until a pattern emerges. What's a code red? The UK doesn't have such things as a general, railway-wide scheme; though it may have specific local meaning. https://youtu.be/jZn1fhMdrbQ The Alaska Railroad has something in the event of tracks being somehow compromised. How does it work? Anna Noyd-Dryver |
Excellent picture of a broken rail following a derailment
On 28/01/2020 10:05, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote: On 27/01/2020 16:04, Recliner wrote: wrote: On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:48:32 +0000 Basil Jet wrote: On 27/01/2020 13:49, Recliner wrote: On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:34:55 +0000, wrote: https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/01...-freight-train -derails-repair-work-starts.html Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin. "Eight bridges were also damaged" Holy crap! Whatever if any warning systems there are on the train to warn the driver of a possible derailment clearly didn't work if it took him 2 miles to notice since if the freight on the Goblin runs at the same speed as the NLL then it was probably trundling along at under 30mph so could have stopped fairly quickly. Is there any such warning system? I don't know if there is anything on board, though I would imagine that line controllers could see that and be able to call a Code Red. Signallers will notice when trackside equipment is damaged by the train, though the first few faults are likely to be assumed to be just normal faults, until a pattern emerges. What's a code red? The UK doesn't have such things as a general, railway-wide scheme; though it may have specific local meaning. https://youtu.be/jZn1fhMdrbQ Sorry, this would be an order to all drivers to come to a safe stop and stay where they are. They use that on LUL, though I realise that this is a different entity to NR. The Alaska Railroad has something in the event of tracks being somehow compromised. How does it work? I don't know. |
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