September update:
https://youtu.be/VskRIl9wf-4

Thanks for the link. I'll watch it this afternoon via Wi-Fi on my TV.
The comments from the public show how annoyed most people are
by the endless and repeated delays. It's going to be very difficult
to arouse any serious enthusiasm for Crossrail 2 after this shambles..

I watched this yesterday. Mr. Wild gave the impression that there
has been a slight set-back but nothing serious and consistent
progress was being made. No mention of the need for still more
money He now says that in early 2022 the line will be opened,
and possibly sooner. We'll see.

Robin9 wrote:

I watched this yesterday. Mr. Wild gave the impression that there
has been a slight set-back but nothing serious and consistent
progress was being made. No mention of the need for still more
money He now says that in early 2022 the line will be opened,
and possibly sooner. We'll see.



It's clear that he's shooting for public services (Abbey Wood to Padd low
level) in the core tunnels before the end of 2021. But through services
probably won't start till at least the second half of 2022.

Something else I read: they'll need to do the platform extension work at
Liverpool St while all TfL Rail services are still using the high level
platforms. That wasn't the original plan, and might cause problems for the
Shenfield services.

On Mon, 5 Oct 2020 12:09:41 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Robin9 wrote:

I watched this yesterday. Mr. Wild gave the impression that there
has been a slight set-back but nothing serious and consistent
progress was being made. No mention of the need for still more
money He now says that in early 2022 the line will be opened,
and possibly sooner. We'll see.



It's clear that he's shooting for public services (Abbey Wood to Padd low
level) in the core tunnels before the end of 2021. But through services
probably won't start till at least the second half of 2022.

Of course when they do start running the central core service timetable will
probably be completely buggered most days by problems on NR lines either end
just as happens on the ELL except much worse. It should have been kept as a
london only fast tube service on dedicated tracks.

wrote:
On Mon, 5 Oct 2020 12:09:41 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Robin9 wrote:

I watched this yesterday. Mr. Wild gave the impression that there
has been a slight set-back but nothing serious and consistent
progress was being made. No mention of the need for still more
money He now says that in early 2022 the line will be opened,
and possibly sooner. We'll see.



It's clear that he's shooting for public services (Abbey Wood to Padd low
level) in the core tunnels before the end of 2021. But through services
probably won't start till at least the second half of 2022.

Of course when they do start running the central core service timetable will
probably be completely buggered most days by problems on NR lines either end
just as happens on the ELL except much worse. It should have been kept as a
london only fast tube service on dedicated tracks.

To a large extent, it has separate tracks to GWR and GA services. The Abbey
Wood branch is XR-only, and most of the services on the Shenfield slow
lines will also be XR-only.

On Mon, 5 Oct 2020 16:17:07 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 5 Oct 2020 12:09:41 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Robin9 wrote:

I watched this yesterday. Mr. Wild gave the impression that there
has been a slight set-back but nothing serious and consistent
progress was being made. No mention of the need for still more
money He now says that in early 2022 the line will be opened,
and possibly sooner. We'll see.



It's clear that he's shooting for public services (Abbey Wood to Padd low
level) in the core tunnels before the end of 2021. But through services
probably won't start till at least the second half of 2022.

Of course when they do start running the central core service timetable will
probably be completely buggered most days by problems on NR lines either end

just as happens on the ELL except much worse. It should have been kept as a
london only fast tube service on dedicated tracks.

To a large extent, it has separate tracks to GWR and GA services. The Abbey
Wood branch is XR-only, and most of the services on the Shenfield slow
lines will also be XR-only.

Still NR tracks though. Plus the longer a line is the greater the probability
of problems. Thats unavoidable for suburban and national services but for
something thats supposed to be a metro service taking some of the load off the
central and piccadilly lines its length IMO is going to be a problem.

wrote:
On Mon, 5 Oct 2020 16:17:07 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 5 Oct 2020 12:09:41 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Robin9 wrote:

I watched this yesterday. Mr. Wild gave the impression that there
has been a slight set-back but nothing serious and consistent
progress was being made. No mention of the need for still more
money He now says that in early 2022 the line will be opened,
and possibly sooner. We'll see.



It's clear that he's shooting for public services (Abbey Wood to Padd low
level) in the core tunnels before the end of 2021. But through services
probably won't start till at least the second half of 2022.

Of course when they do start running the central core service timetable will
probably be completely buggered most days by problems on NR lines either end

just as happens on the ELL except much worse. It should have been kept as a
london only fast tube service on dedicated tracks.

To a large extent, it has separate tracks to GWR and GA services. The Abbey
Wood branch is XR-only, and most of the services on the Shenfield slow
lines will also be XR-only.

Still NR tracks though. Plus the longer a line is the greater the probability
of problems. Thats unavoidable for suburban and national services but for
something thats supposed to be a metro service taking some of the load off the
central and piccadilly lines its length IMO is going to be a problem.



Yes. Personally, I don't think Crossrail should go as far as Reading. I
think Slough was far enough. As a rough guide, don't think it should have
gone much outside the M25.

On 06/10/2020 10:06, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 5 Oct 2020 16:17:07 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 5 Oct 2020 12:09:41 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Robin9 wrote:

I watched this yesterday. Mr. Wild gave the impression that there
has been a slight set-back but nothing serious and consistent
progress was being made. No mention of the need for still more
money He now says that in early 2022 the line will be opened,
and possibly sooner. We'll see.



It's clear that he's shooting for public services (Abbey Wood to Padd low
level) in the core tunnels before the end of 2021. But through services
probably won't start till at least the second half of 2022.

Of course when they do start running the central core service timetable will
probably be completely buggered most days by problems on NR lines either end

just as happens on the ELL except much worse. It should have been kept as a
london only fast tube service on dedicated tracks.

To a large extent, it has separate tracks to GWR and GA services. The Abbey
Wood branch is XR-only, and most of the services on the Shenfield slow
lines will also be XR-only.

Still NR tracks though. Plus the longer a line is the greater the probability
of problems. Thats unavoidable for suburban and national services but for
something thats supposed to be a metro service taking some of the load off the
central and piccadilly lines its length IMO is going to be a problem.



Yes. Personally, I don't think Crossrail should go as far as Reading. I
think Slough was far enough.

Windsor IMO, assuming crossing the mainline is at all possible.

--
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Basil Jet wrote:
On 06/10/2020 10:06, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 5 Oct 2020 16:17:07 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 5 Oct 2020 12:09:41 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Robin9 wrote:

I watched this yesterday. Mr. Wild gave the impression that there
has been a slight set-back but nothing serious and consistent
progress was being made. No mention of the need for still more
money He now says that in early 2022 the line will be opened,
and possibly sooner. We'll see.



It's clear that he's shooting for public services (Abbey Wood to Padd low
level) in the core tunnels before the end of 2021. But through services
probably won't start till at least the second half of 2022.

Of course when they do start running the central core service timetable will
probably be completely buggered most days by problems on NR lines either end

just as happens on the ELL except much worse. It should have been kept as a
london only fast tube service on dedicated tracks.

To a large extent, it has separate tracks to GWR and GA services. The Abbey
Wood branch is XR-only, and most of the services on the Shenfield slow
lines will also be XR-only.

Still NR tracks though. Plus the longer a line is the greater the probability
of problems. Thats unavoidable for suburban and national services but for
something thats supposed to be a metro service taking some of the load off the
central and piccadilly lines its length IMO is going to be a problem.



Yes. Personally, I don't think Crossrail should go as far as Reading. I
think Slough was far enough.

Windsor IMO, assuming crossing the mainline is at all possible.


Too expensive for a grade separated crossing, and is the station suitable
for 9-car trains?