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[email protected] March 5th 21 01:32 PM

New piccadilly line trains
 
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tran...ne-trains-unve
iled-tfl-b922086.html

Lets hope sense prevails and once these have had a good shakedown on the
picc they order them for the bakerloo, central and W&C instead of wasting
time and money on yet another round of tenders to do the exact same job.


Recliner[_4_] March 5th 21 03:56 PM

New piccadilly line trains
 
wrote:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tran...ne-trains-unve
iled-tfl-b922086.html

Lets hope sense prevails and once these have had a good shakedown on the
picc they order them for the bakerloo, central and W&C instead of wasting
time and money on yet another round of tenders to do the exact same job.



That's what LU wants to do, with only short gaps between orders, so the
Goole factory can stay in continuous production, and perhaps even move on
to a new Jubilee line fleet. But there's only the budget for the first
phase of the Piccadilly order, not even the second phase (the extra trains
to take advantage of the higher frequencies possible with the planned, but
currently unfunded, new signalling system).

TfL doesn't have the funding for anything beyond that, and the DfT and
Treasury are not being generous to Labour mayors. If, by some amazing
chance, we have Mayor Bailey after May, the funding might be more likely to
be available.


Recliner[_4_] March 5th 21 04:00 PM

New piccadilly line trains
 
wrote:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tran...ne-trains-unve
iled-tfl-b922086.html

Lets hope sense prevails and once these have had a good shakedown on the
picc they order them for the bakerloo, central and W&C instead of wasting
time and money on yet another round of tenders to do the exact same job.



BTW, this latest post of yours has broken the indexing in NewsTap.


tim...[_2_] March 5th 21 05:01 PM

New piccadilly line trains
 


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
wrote:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tran...ne-trains-unve
iled-tfl-b922086.html

Lets hope sense prevails and once these have had a good shakedown on the
picc they order them for the bakerloo, central and W&C instead of wasting
time and money on yet another round of tenders to do the exact same job.



That's what LU wants to do, with only short gaps between orders, so the
Goole factory can stay in continuous production, and perhaps even move on
to a new Jubilee line fleet. But there's only the budget for the first
phase of the Piccadilly order, not even the second phase (the extra trains
to take advantage of the higher frequencies possible with the planned, but
currently unfunded, new signalling system).

TfL doesn't have the funding for anything beyond that, and the DfT and
Treasury are not being generous to Labour mayors. If, by some amazing
chance, we have Mayor Bailey after May, the funding might be more likely
to
be available.


I've just received a leaflet through my door saying that he *is* the next
mayor of London

have I been asleep for 5 years




Arthur Figgis March 5th 21 05:41 PM

New piccadilly line trains
 
On 05/03/2021 16:56, Recliner wrote:


If, by some amazing chance, we have Mayor Bailey after May,

Is that plausible, short of Sadiq Khan being filmed wearing a Dominic
Cummings fan club t-shirt while committing unnatural acts with one of
the Queen's corgis on top of the Cenotaph?

I'm aware there are people who think Khan is an ISIS-supporting
communist who is being paid by Big Cycle Path, but I don't think I've
seen anything actually pro-Bailey. And even less pro that bloke with the
social media adverts who looks like a conman from an old sitcom.

And I've only just seen the nominative determinism of the UKIP candidate.
--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

Recliner[_4_] March 5th 21 07:25 PM

New piccadilly line trains
 
Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 05/03/2021 16:56, Recliner wrote:


If, by some amazing chance, we have Mayor Bailey after May,

Is that plausible, short of Sadiq Khan being filmed wearing a Dominic
Cummings fan club t-shirt while committing unnatural acts with one of
the Queen's corgis on top of the Cenotaph?

I'm aware there are people who think Khan is an ISIS-supporting
communist who is being paid by Big Cycle Path, but I don't think I've
seen anything actually pro-Bailey. And even less pro that bloke with the
social media adverts who looks like a conman from an old sitcom.

And I've only just seen the nominative determinism of the UKIP candidate.


Oh, I agree, Khan is the almost certain winner in May. But Johnson's
government will do all it can to undermine him in the next two months.
There might well be hints of better government funding for TfL if 'London
had a less wasteful mayor'.


Graeme Wall March 5th 21 08:12 PM

New piccadilly line trains
 
On 05/03/2021 18:41, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 05/03/2021 16:56, Recliner wrote:


If, by some amazing chance, we have Mayor Bailey after May,

Is that plausible, short of Sadiq Khan being filmed wearing a Dominic
Cummings fan club t-shirt while committing unnatural acts with one of
the Queen's corgis on top of the Cenotaph?

I'm aware there are people who think Khan is an ISIS-supporting
communist who is being paid by Big Cycle Path, but I don't think I've
seen anything actually pro-Bailey. And even less pro that bloke with the
social media adverts who looks like a conman from an old sitcom.

And I've only just seen the nominative determinism of the UKIP candidate.


I see someone is promoting Corbyn for mayor?

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.


Recliner[_4_] March 5th 21 09:46 PM

New piccadilly line trains
 
Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 05/03/2021 21:12, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 05/03/2021 18:41, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 05/03/2021 16:56, Recliner wrote:


If, by some amazing chance, we have Mayor Bailey after May,
Is that plausible, short of Sadiq Khan being filmed wearing a Dominic
Cummings fan club t-shirt while committing unnatural acts with one of
the Queen's corgis on top of the Cenotaph?

I'm aware there are people who think Khan is an ISIS-supporting
communist who is being paid by Big Cycle Path, but I don't think I've
seen anything actually pro-Bailey. And even less pro that bloke with
the social media adverts who looks like a conman from an old sitcom.

And I've only just seen the nominative determinism of the UKIP candidate.


I see someone is promoting Corbyn for mayor?


Piers rather than Jeremy.



Yikes! Perhaps he reckons that Londoners enjoy having ageing lefty mayors?

But maybe Neil Robertson will vote for him, based on Piers' 'Covid is a
hoax' manifesto?


Recliner[_4_] March 5th 21 09:46 PM

New piccadilly line trains
 
Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 05/03/2021 20:25, Recliner wrote:
Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 05/03/2021 16:56, Recliner wrote:


If, by some amazing chance, we have Mayor Bailey after May,
Is that plausible, short of Sadiq Khan being filmed wearing a Dominic
Cummings fan club t-shirt while committing unnatural acts with one of
the Queen's corgis on top of the Cenotaph?

I'm aware there are people who think Khan is an ISIS-supporting
communist who is being paid by Big Cycle Path, but I don't think I've
seen anything actually pro-Bailey. And even less pro that bloke with the
social media adverts who looks like a conman from an old sitcom.

And I've only just seen the nominative determinism of the UKIP candidate.


Oh, I agree, Khan is the almost certain winner in May. But Johnson's
government will do all it can to undermine him in the next two months.
There might well be hints of better government funding for TfL if 'London
had a less wasteful mayor'.


I just wonder if there could be a brexit referendum situation. Or the
Hull council elections ages ago, when yet another Labour win was such a
foregone conclusion that no-one could be bothered to vote, except a
handful of LibDems - who then found themselves in a "dog that has
actually caught the car" position.

The "Khan to charge you £££££ to drive across the Greater London
boundary" spin seems to have got some traction on local Facebook,
mitigated by the people sharing it not knowing[1] where Greater London
actually is.


Most of the people who'd have to pay that charge don't get to vote for the
mayor, which is probably why Khan proposed it.



[1] As a general concept, rather than a usenet-style "here is a map of
coal tax posts in Middlesex which proves that those little bits of Kent
north of the Thames are actually in Cambridgeshire on alternate Thursdays".





Arthur Figgis March 6th 21 12:05 AM

New piccadilly line trains
 
On 05/03/2021 22:46, Recliner wrote:


Most of the people who'd have to pay that charge don't get to vote for the
mayor, which is probably why Khan proposed it.


I was amazed at how many people didn't seem to know this. Along with how
many people I've seen claim not to know what borough they are in (FTAOD:
they were not militant historic county fans).


--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK


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