Would it be totally impractical for all or most Met journeys to/from Chesham
to run as through services to Baker Street as opposed to mainly a branch
shuttle with the odd peak-time run to Aldgate or wherever. Just seems a bit
messy compared to most other lines which tend to provide through services to
all their extremities.
Also would it not be feasible for Central Line trains serving Hainault to
run alternately clockwise/anticlockwise round the Hainault loop and back
towards the City?
Are there any changes to traditional route options on LU that might be worth
doing even if the above two are hopeless non-starters?
--
gordon
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gordon

"Sharon & Gordon Thomson" wrote in
message ...
Would it be totally impractical for all or most Met journeys to/from
Chesham
to run as through services to Baker Street as opposed to mainly a branch
shuttle with the odd peak-time run to Aldgate or wherever. Just seems a
bit
messy compared to most other lines which tend to provide through services
to
all their extremities.

It would be possible but I doubt enough people use Chesham off-peak to make
it worthwhile.

Also would it not be feasible for Central Line trains serving Hainault to
run alternately clockwise/anticlockwise round the Hainault loop and back
towards the City?

As there would be no terminus there would be nowhere for the trains to make
up any time and this would decrease reliability.

Are there any changes to traditional route options on LU that might be
worth
doing even if the above two are hopeless non-starters?

I believe LU are considering changing the sub-surface lines. Trains would go
Hammersmith - Edgware Road - Liverpool Street - South Kensington - Edgware
Road where it would reverse and head back the other way. This would have the
advantage of giving Circle trains somewhere to make up any time they have
lost.

Peter Smyth

snip
I believe LU are considering changing the sub-surface lines. Trains would
go
Hammersmith - Edgware Road - Liverpool Street - South Kensington - Edgware
Road where it would reverse and head back the other way. This would have
the
advantage of giving Circle trains somewhere to make up any time they have
lost.


With the District Line covering the rest of the Hammersmith and City would
this mean the end of either the Hamersmith and City or the Circle line. i.e.
is whats proposed a merging of the 2 lines?

"Peter Smyth" wrote in message
...

"Sharon & Gordon Thomson" wrote in
message ...
Would it be totally impractical for all or most Met journeys to/from
Chesham
to run as through services to Baker Street as opposed to mainly a branch
shuttle with the odd peak-time run to Aldgate or wherever. Just seems a
bit
messy compared to most other lines which tend to provide through
services
to
all their extremities.

It would be possible but I doubt enough people use Chesham off-peak to
make
it worthwhile.

Also would it not be feasible for Central Line trains serving Hainault
to
run alternately clockwise/anticlockwise round the Hainault loop and back
towards the City?

As there would be no terminus there would be nowhere for the trains to
make
up any time and this would decrease reliability.

So how does this work now at the Heathrow end of the Picc or, come to that,
on the Circle line?

--
Brian
"Chuff! Chuff! Poot! Poot! A model railway exhibition can do that to a
person"

"Brian Watson" wrote in message
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"Peter Smyth" wrote in message
...

"Sharon & Gordon Thomson" wrote in
message ...
Would it be totally impractical for all or most Met journeys to/from
Chesham
to run as through services to Baker Street as opposed to mainly a
branch
shuttle with the odd peak-time run to Aldgate or wherever. Just seems
a
bit
messy compared to most other lines which tend to provide through
services
to
all their extremities.

It would be possible but I doubt enough people use Chesham off-peak to
make
it worthwhile.

Also would it not be feasible for Central Line trains serving Hainault
to
run alternately clockwise/anticlockwise round the Hainault loop and
back
towards the City?

As there would be no terminus there would be nowhere for the trains to
make
up any time and this would decrease reliability.

So how does this work now at the Heathrow end of the Picc

Badly

or, come to that,
on the Circle line?

Very badly.

Which is why "layover" time is built in at Heathrow T12&3 and Aldgate
respectively.

"Sharon & Gordon Thomson" wrote in
message ...
Would it be totally impractical for all or most Met journeys to/from
Chesham
to run as through services to Baker Street as opposed to mainly a branch
shuttle with the odd peak-time run to Aldgate or wherever. Just seems a
bit
messy compared to most other lines which tend to provide through services
to
all their extremities.
Also would it not be feasible for Central Line trains serving Hainault to
run alternately clockwise/anticlockwise round the Hainault loop and back
towards the City?
Are there any changes to traditional route options on LU that might be
worth
doing even if the above two are hopeless non-starters?
--
gordon
--
gordon




In fact many Hainault trains continue to Woodford via Grange Hill etc, where
they reverse and go back the same way. This gives layover time to make up
late running, and a direct through service to central London from all
stations.

Andrew

"Piccadilly Pilot" wrote in message
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"Brian Watson" wrote in message
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"Peter Smyth" wrote in message
...

As there would be no terminus there would be nowhere for the trains to
make
up any time and this would decrease reliability.

So how does this work now at the Heathrow end of the Picc

Badly

or, come to that,
on the Circle line?

Very badly.

Which is why "layover" time is built in at Heathrow T12&3 and Aldgate
respectively.

OK. Thanks for that.

--
Brian
"Chuff! Chuff! Poot! Poot! A model railway exhibition can do that to a
person"

"Andrew" wrote in message
...
In fact many Hainault trains continue to Woodford where
they reverse and go back the same way.

I'm still left wondering whether they couldn't have clockwise and
anticlockwise journeys connecting together all the stations on the loop and
also allowing people using stations around the mid-section of the loop and
travelling from/to beyond the loop to use the first train regardless of
which direction it goes round the loop. Would this not essentially amount to
an improved frequency for no extra resource? There could still be a few
minutes intermediate stand time at Woodford or wherever for recovery.
--
gordon

On Sat, 29 May 2004, Sharon & Gordon Thomson wrote:

Are there any changes to traditional route options on LU that might be
worth doing even if the above two are hopeless non-starters?

How about terminating the Metropolitan line at Whitechapel instead of
Aldgate? I believe that used to be done, and it would be more useful, i
think: anyone who uses the Met to go to Aldgate can get of at Aldgate
East, and it would drastically improve the connection from east London to
the northern half of the circle (at present, the District line provides a
good service to the southern half, but the H&C is seriously crappy). There
are probably very good reasons why this can't be done, though.

tom

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Oh, well of course *everything* looks bad if you remember it

Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sat, 29 May 2004, Sharon & Gordon Thomson wrote:

Are there any changes to traditional route options on LU that
might be worth doing even if the above two are hopeless
non-starters?

How about terminating the Metropolitan line at Whitechapel instead
of Aldgate? I believe that used to be done, and it would be more
useful, i think: anyone who uses the Met to go to Aldgate can get
of at Aldgate East, and it would drastically improve the connection
from east London to the northern half of the circle (at present,
the District line provides a good service to the southern half, but
the H&C is seriously crappy). There are probably very good reasons
why this can't be done, though.

Like the fact that, with only two tracks between Aldgate East and
Whitechapel, and a flat junction at Aldgate East, you couldn't fit in
the H&C, District and Met services and expect to get a reliable service.
This is one reason why the H&C is "seriously crappy", as it has to
contend with at least 4 flat junctions between Paddington and Aldgate
East.

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Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)