On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:54:03 +0000, Solar Penguin wrote:

--- Paul Weaver said...


If you dont like your job, hand in your notice and leave. It's not
hard.

OTOH the ability to drive an Underground train is not a transferable
skill.

Indeed, it's barely a skill at all

Face it, TfL and its franchise holders have a monopoly on
needing workers with that particular skill. Unless the ex-drivers are
prepared to become bottom-rung, menial, unskilled workers

Tube driving isn't menial? 'Push "Open", Push "Close", Slide Forwards,
Mumble into tannoy (only the best ones), Slide backwards, Repeat.'

somewhere
else, TfL has them by the short n' curlies. It's not surprising they
spend so much effort fighting back!

Retrain in your spare time. Stop reading The Sun and read "Beginners guide
to doing a job"

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Paul Weaver wrote:

I do a job which I was suited for after going to uni and spending 3 years
of my life running up £15,000 or debt. It pays a lot less then an
underground driver, but OTOH I didn't start when I was 18 and end up fully
trained on £30k by the time I was 20. Instead I took the long expensive
road in the hope of brighter carrer prospects in the future. I also put a
lot of free time into keeping my skills sharp so I have workforce
mobility.

See, and then _you_ do have the prospect of increasing salary until you
retire. For the traindrivers it is these 30k throughout their
workinglife - apart from paydeals their unions worked out.

Not to forget that some people simply don't have the chance of attending
uni.

Paul Weaver wrote:


If you walk into a car showroom, and see a car you like, and offer £5,000,
but the salesman says £50,000 - you don't picket outside the room until he
changes your mind, you go elsewhere.

Why do some people (strike lovers) not understand this?

Why don't some people understand that the workforce is (according to
your example) more the car in the showroom than the customer?

Paul Weaver wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:43:54 +0000, loobyloo wrote:

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:39:48 +0000, Paul Weaver wrote:

If you dont like your job, hand in your notice and leave. It's not
hard.


What sort of job do you do? I always find the sudden reduction of my
salary by 100% quite an obstacle to leaving a job I migth be fed up
with.

I do a job which I was suited for after going to uni and spending 3
years of my life running up £15,000 or debt. It pays a lot less then
an underground driver, but OTOH I didn't start when I was 18 and end
up fully trained on £30k by the time I was 20. Instead I took the
long expensive road in the hope of brighter carrer prospects in the
future. I also put a lot of free time into keeping my skills sharp so
I have workforce mobility.

Which doesn't tell us what you do. You're not a lawyer or an accountant are
you?

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:47:19 +0000 (UTC), Brimstone wrote:


Which doesn't tell us what you do. You're not a lawyer or an accountant are
you?


I know Blackburn are struggling at the moment but I'd have thought they
paid more than tube drivers:
http://www.rovers.premiumtv.co.uk/pa...~31118,00.html
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i did start at 18 and was a fully trained driver 6 months later.
training doesn't take that long.

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:47:19 +0000, Brimstone wrote:

Paul Weaver wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:43:54 +0000, loobyloo wrote:

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:39:48 +0000, Paul Weaver wrote:

If you dont like your job, hand in your notice and leave. It's not
hard.


What sort of job do you do? I always find the sudden reduction of my
salary by 100% quite an obstacle to leaving a job I migth be fed up
with.

I do a job which I was suited for after going to uni and spending 3
years of my life running up £15,000 or debt. It pays a lot less then
an underground driver, but OTOH I didn't start when I was 18 and end
up fully trained on £30k by the time I was 20. Instead I took the
long expensive road in the hope of brighter carrer prospects in the
future. I also put a lot of free time into keeping my skills sharp so
I have workforce mobility.

Which doesn't tell us what you do. You're not a lawyer or an accountant are
you?

Engineer
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:23:34 +0100, Guy Perry wrote:

Paul Weaver wrote:

I do a job which I was suited for after going to uni and spending 3 years
of my life running up £15,000 or debt. It pays a lot less then an
underground driver, but OTOH I didn't start when I was 18 and end up fully
trained on £30k by the time I was 20. Instead I took the long expensive
road in the hope of brighter carrer prospects in the future. I also put a
lot of free time into keeping my skills sharp so I have workforce
mobility.

See, and then _you_ do have the prospect of increasing salary until you
retire. For the traindrivers it is these 30k throughout their
workinglife - apart from paydeals their unions worked out.

Still 50% above the average wage of the country.

Not to forget that some people simply don't have the chance of attending
uni.

Pretty much everyone has the choice nowadays. Too many really, the country
needs more vocational training.

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Everything I write here is my personal opinion, and should not be taken as fact.

Paul Weaver wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:47:19 +0000, Brimstone wrote:

Paul Weaver wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:43:54 +0000, loobyloo wrote:

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:39:48 +0000, Paul Weaver wrote:

If you dont like your job, hand in your notice and leave. It's not
hard.


What sort of job do you do? I always find the sudden reduction of
my salary by 100% quite an obstacle to leaving a job I migth be
fed up with.

I do a job which I was suited for after going to uni and spending 3
years of my life running up £15,000 or debt. It pays a lot less then
an underground driver, but OTOH I didn't start when I was 18 and end
up fully trained on £30k by the time I was 20. Instead I took the
long expensive road in the hope of brighter carrer prospects in the
future. I also put a lot of free time into keeping my skills sharp
so
I have workforce mobility.

Which doesn't tell us what you do. You're not a lawyer or an
accountant are you?

Engineer

Which is a wide ranging term and has been used to cover anyone from a bench
fitter to the chap who designed the Channel Tunnel.

Paul Weaver wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:23:34 +0100, Guy Perry wrote:

See, and then _you_ do have the prospect of increasing salary until you
retire. For the traindrivers it is these 30k throughout their
workinglife - apart from paydeals their unions worked out.


Still 50% above the average wage of the country.

But well within average of the profession of traindrivers so what's the
point? That everyone should only get paid the national average unless
they attended university? That everyone should only get paid a fixed
salary, irrelevant what or how hard they work (or at all when at work),
welcome to the already failed communist system.
I then propose that everyone should only get paid one quid a month and
try to cope with life and existing prices. I hope you understand how
ridiculous that would be, as is the continuous whining about LU's driver
salary.

Not to forget that some people simply don't have the chance of attending
uni.

Pretty much everyone has the choice nowadays. Too many really, the country
needs more vocational training.

Please do prove that to me. I doubt everyone can afford fees for uni.