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Don't worry, Richard Whiteley and Carol Vorderman are staying put.
Siemens have been awarded a contract to overhaul London Buses' Countdown
system, replacing the current AVL beacon-based technology with something
based around GPS; there will be enhanced real-time information available
via the internet and mobile phones too. Funny, because this is what we
were talking about in another thread.

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London Buses is to spend 116m on a new vehicle tracking and passenger
information system that will replace its ageing 'countdown' electronic
timetable service at bus stops in the capital.

The system aims to improve the tracking of London's rapidly expanding
fleet of buses and provide more accurate information telling passengers
when their next ride is due.

The contract for the new system has been awarded to Siemens following an
18-month procurement process by Transport for London (TfL).

The new bus radio, vehicle location and countdown system will be
introduced by 2008 as part of TfL's 10bn five-year investment programme
to modernise London's public transport system.

The existing countdown system was introduced in 1996 and uses a
microwave-based network of 5,000 roadside and on-bus beacons to track
the location of buses on route. This information is relayed to
electronic displays at bus stops, which tell waiting passengers how many
minutes before the next bus is due.

But that is complex and costly to maintain - and often inaccurate
according to many frustrated bus passengers - and TfL has decided to opt
for a GPS-based system to cope with the expansion of the London Bus
fleet to 10,000 over the next few years.

New services to be covered by the Siemens contract include an overhaul
of the information provided on the countdown signs at stops as well as
real-time bus information for internet, phone and text users.

Both Siemens and TfL failed to respond to requests for comment.

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Dave Arquati wrote:
Don't worry, Richard Whiteley and Carol Vorderman are staying put.
Siemens have been awarded a contract to overhaul London Buses'

Countdown
system, replacing the current AVL beacon-based technology with

something
based around GPS; there will be enhanced real-time information

available
via the internet and mobile phones too. Funny, because this is what

we
were talking about in another thread.



Yey as long as they add the 337 to the list of buses which have some
form of display at the bus stops. Theres that daft countdown display
on the Westbound part of Upper Richmond Road by Putney station: During
the day 2 buses use that stop
1. The 37 which terminates there and doesn't appear on Countdown
2. The 337 which doesn't appear on countdown

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Dave Arquati wrote:
Don't worry, Richard Whiteley and Carol Vorderman are staying put.
Siemens have been awarded a contract to overhaul London Buses'

Countdown
system, replacing the current AVL beacon-based technology with

something
based around GPS; there will be enhanced real-time information

available
via the internet and mobile phones too. Funny, because this is what

we
were talking about in another thread.


Excellent news indeed - hopefully that means the Siemens system
installed in Brighton, Colchester and Hamburg (a pretty unlikely
combination of places), which is 100000000000 times better than what
we've got at the moment. Unless they're just going to recycle the
existing displays and not install any new ones.

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On Mon, 16 May 2005 23:09:14 +0100, Dave Arquati wrote:

Don't worry, Richard Whiteley and Carol Vorderman are staying put.
Siemens have been awarded a contract to overhaul London Buses' Countdown
system, replacing the current AVL beacon-based technology with something
based around GPS; there will be enhanced real-time information available
via the internet and mobile phones too. Funny, because this is what we
were talking about in another thread.

--
http://networks.silicon.com/mobile/0...9130438,00.htm

London Buses is to spend 116m on a new vehicle tracking and passenger
information system that will replace its ageing 'countdown' electronic
timetable service at bus stops in the capital.


And about time too.

The system aims to improve the tracking of London's rapidly expanding
fleet of buses and provide more accurate information telling passengers
when their next ride is due.


I'd question the bit about "rapidly expanding fleet". As the budget for
route improvements has been hacked to death I can't see how anyone can
claim there will be 10,000 buses in daily service in a few years. All
the money is going on the Tube.

New services to be covered by the Siemens contract include an overhaul
of the information provided on the countdown signs at stops as well as
real-time bus information for internet, phone and text users.


The bit that is missing from these statements is whether any more stops
or routes are going to be covered in terms of bus stop displays. It's
all jolly lovely having text and Internet information but I would want
accurate information at the stop. When Countdown works then it's great
but so often it does not and words like "overhaul" tend to suggest a bit
of a patch and mend approach to me.
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Siemens have been awarded a contract to overhaul London Buses'
Countdown
system, replacing the current AVL beacon-based technology with

something
based around GPS; there will be enhanced real-time information

available

Is all this reliance on GPS a good idea? If at some point the US
military decides to
scramble the signal (and don't say it won't ever happen, you just don't
know) then
it seems half our infrastructure will now stop working. I can't help
but think this
is incredibly shortsighted.

B2003



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Siemens have been awarded a contract to overhaul London Buses'
Countdown
system, replacing the current AVL beacon-based technology with

something
based around GPS; there will be enhanced real-time information

available

Is all this reliance on GPS a good idea? If at some point the US
military decides to
scramble or kill the signal (and don't say it won't ever happen, you
just don't know) then
it seems half our infrastructure will now stop working. I can't help
but think this
is incredibly shortsighted.

B2003

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In message .com,
Boltar writes

Is all this reliance on GPS a good idea? If at some point the US
military decides to scramble or kill the signal (and don't say it won't
ever happen, you just don't know) then it seems half our infrastructure
will now stop working.


I think that's why Europe is currently investing so much in Galileo.

I can't help but think this is incredibly shortsighted.


Well, I don't think the buses will actually stop working - its just that
we might not know when they are coming any more.

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Well, I don't think the buses will actually stop working - its just
that
we might not know when they are coming any more.


True in this case. But what about the new trains on Southern that
have to get a GPS signal or they chuck a wobbly, aircraft navigation
systems
etc.

B2003

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On Tue, 17 May 2005, Paul Corfield wrote:

On Mon, 16 May 2005 23:09:14 +0100, Dave Arquati wrote:

Don't worry, Richard Whiteley and Carol Vorderman are staying put.


I'd question the bit about "rapidly expanding fleet". As the budget for
route improvements has been hacked to death I can't see how anyone can
claim there will be 10,000 buses in daily service in a few years.


Ken is planning to merge the London Buses and the PCO and reclassify taxis
as buses.

tom

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On Tue, 17 May 2005 14:01:30 +0100, Paul Terry
wrote:

I think that's why Europe is currently investing so much in Galileo.


As I recall someone telling me (and it could be wrong), Galileo will
be chargeable, not free-to-air.

I can't help but think this is incredibly shortsighted.


Well, I don't think the buses will actually stop working - its just that
we might not know when they are coming any more.


True - but I'd agree. There is no reason why a well-designed beacon
based system using short-range radio should not return reliable
results.

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