http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/...642233,00.html

Commuters face airport-style scans

Rail and London Underground passengers could soon face airport-style
scanning techniques under new anti-terror plans, the transport secretary
revealed today.

Alistair Darling pledged to reduce the risk of another terrorist attack
on London but admitted that security systems on rail networks would
never be as stringent as those in airports.

....

The new cameras are programmed to look for suspicious behaviour
patterns, such as one person standing in the same place for a
significant length of time,

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Perhaps he should use public transport more often...

"Alex" wrote in message
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/...642233,00.html

Commuters face airport-style scans

Rail and London Underground passengers could soon face airport-style
scanning techniques under new anti-terror plans, the transport secretary
revealed today.

Alistair Darling pledged to reduce the risk of another terrorist attack on
London but admitted that security systems on rail networks would never be
as stringent as those in airports.

...

The new cameras are programmed to look for suspicious behaviour patterns,
such as one person standing in the same place for a significant length of
time,

waiting for a train perhaps.

tim

On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:32:31 +0000, Alex wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/...642233,00.html

Commuters face airport-style scans

Rail and London Underground passengers could soon face airport-style
scanning techniques under new anti-terror plans, the transport secretary
revealed today.

Alistair Darling pledged to reduce the risk of another terrorist attack
on London but admitted that security systems on rail networks would
never be as stringent as those in airports.

This whole "initiative" is quite bonkers. Utterly unworkable and
establishes all sorts of silly precedents to make rail travel relatively
unattractive. If suicide bombers wish to kill people there are
thousands of ways they can do it far away from the public transport
system.

I don't particularly like the silly immigration and security
arrangements for Eurostar and the enforced 30 minute check in period. I
appreciate the Channel Tunnel is an obvious target but who would use
Eurostar to blow it up? Far easier to use the Shuttle services.

Thousands of trains cross European borders every week and pass through
important strategic tunnels and there is nothing remotely comparable to
Eurostar's arrangements for using those trains.

The new cameras are programmed to look for suspicious behaviour
patterns, such as one person standing in the same place for a
significant length of time,

Perhaps he should use public transport more often...

Well quite. I wonder if you are suspicious if you stand in the same
place every day at the same time? I mean why would anyone do that?
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:58:21 +0100, "tim \(moved to sweden\)"
wrote:


"Alex" wrote in message
...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/...642233,00.html

Commuters face airport-style scans

Rail and London Underground passengers could soon face airport-style
scanning techniques under new anti-terror plans, the transport secretary
revealed today.

Alistair Darling pledged to reduce the risk of another terrorist attack on
London but admitted that security systems on rail networks would never be
as stringent as those in airports.

...

The new cameras are programmed to look for suspicious behaviour patterns,
such as one person standing in the same place for a significant length of
time,

waiting for a train perhaps.

tim


So, all you wannabe suicide bombers, just wander around the station,
go for a cuppa and so on and you'll be fine...

Utter idiots. As I was reading on another thread the manufacturers of
said scanners will be laughing all the way to the bank whilst yet more
money drains out of the rail network

But there's one problem to all these "security" measures. A terrorist
doesn't have to get a bomb on the train to destroy it. There are thousands
of miles of track on which it can be placed and it can't all be watched. It
doesn't even have to be on the track to destroy a train. They can just ram a
car bomb into the train at a vulnerable point. There are so many ways.




"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:32:31 +0000, Alex wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/...642233,00.html

Commuters face airport-style scans

Rail and London Underground passengers could soon face airport-style
scanning techniques under new anti-terror plans, the transport secretary
revealed today.

Alistair Darling pledged to reduce the risk of another terrorist attack
on London but admitted that security systems on rail networks would
never be as stringent as those in airports.

This whole "initiative" is quite bonkers. Utterly unworkable and
establishes all sorts of silly precedents to make rail travel relatively
unattractive. If suicide bombers wish to kill people there are
thousands of ways they can do it far away from the public transport
system.

I don't particularly like the silly immigration and security
arrangements for Eurostar and the enforced 30 minute check in period. I
appreciate the Channel Tunnel is an obvious target but who would use
Eurostar to blow it up? Far easier to use the Shuttle services.

Thousands of trains cross European borders every week and pass through
important strategic tunnels and there is nothing remotely comparable to
Eurostar's arrangements for using those trains.

The new cameras are programmed to look for suspicious behaviour
patterns, such as one person standing in the same place for a
significant length of time,

Perhaps he should use public transport more often...

Well quite. I wonder if you are suspicious if you stand in the same
place every day at the same time? I mean why would anyone do that?
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:32:31 +0000, Alex wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/...642233,00.html

Commuters face airport-style scans


Yeah, they're talking about making HEX passengers be scanned.

Thus slowing down the process of boarding, and decreasing HEX's
advantage over the Tube (or indeed Heathrow Connect, which apparently
won't be affected!)

More ****e from the Government. What a surprise.

--
James Farrar
. @gmail.com

Lard Arse wrote:
But there's one problem to all these "security" measures. A terrorist
doesn't have to get a bomb on the train to destroy it. There are thousands
of miles of track on which it can be placed and it can't all be watched. It
doesn't even have to be on the track to destroy a train. They can just ram a
car bomb into the train at a vulnerable point. There are so many ways.

They don't need to get into the network. At peak times there'll be more
people queueing to get past the gates, sniffer dogs etc that there'll be
waiting for a train, so they can just join the queue outside the
security measures.

I guess it's modelled on the successful way we've managed to keep drugs
out of high security prisons...uh, I mean the whole of the UK.

James Farrar wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:32:31 +0000, Alex wrote:


http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/...642233,00.html

Commuters face airport-style scans



Yeah, they're talking about making HEX passengers be scanned.

Thus slowing down the process of boarding, and decreasing HEX's
advantage over the Tube (or indeed Heathrow Connect, which apparently
won't be affected!)

More ****e from the Government. What a surprise.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the idea behind this is to say, "look,
we tried to do it here, it really didn't work, so we'll not bother
spending the lots of money doing it elsewhere."

Anybody see where I put my rose-tinted specs?

Robin

"R.C. Payne" wrote in message
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James Farrar wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:32:31 +0000, Alex wrote:


http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/...642233,00.html

Commuters face airport-style scans



Yeah, they're talking about making HEX passengers be scanned.

Thus slowing down the process of boarding, and decreasing HEX's
advantage over the Tube (or indeed Heathrow Connect, which apparently
won't be affected!)

More ****e from the Government. What a surprise.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the idea behind this is to say, "look, we
tried to do it here, it really didn't work, so we'll not bother spending
the lots of money doing it elsewhere."

I don't believe the man who brought you the "45 minute
response" and "90 dys internment will make a difference"
can think this clearly

tim

"Cheeky" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:58:21 +0100, "tim \(moved to sweden\)"
wrote:


"Alex" wrote in message
...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/...642233,00.html

Commuters face airport-style scans

Rail and London Underground passengers could soon face airport-style
scanning techniques under new anti-terror plans, the transport secretary
revealed today.

Alistair Darling pledged to reduce the risk of another terrorist attack
on
London but admitted that security systems on rail networks would never
be
as stringent as those in airports.

...

The new cameras are programmed to look for suspicious behaviour
patterns,
such as one person standing in the same place for a significant length
of
time,

waiting for a train perhaps.

tim


So, all you wannabe suicide bombers, just wander around the station,
go for a cuppa and so on and you'll be fine...

Just read today that it's also going to recognise left behind baggage.

So every cast aside newpaper is going to set off a security alert.

tim