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New Carriage Lengths and Other Rolling Stock News
Guess which information I wanted to find out :) Anyway... http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...-releases-cont ent.asp?prID=961 TFL COMMISSIONER REVEALS PLANS TO UPGRADE CIRCLE, DISTRICT, HAMMERSMITH & CITY AND METROPOLITAN LINES - Seventh carriage added to all new Circle & Hammersmith & City trains. - Air-conditioned trains and new energy efficient features to be delivered. Detailed plans to upgrade a third of the Tube network over the next decade and help tackle climate change were announced by the Transport Commissioner Peter Hendy today. The Circle, District, Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan lines will get new air-conditioned trains from late 2009, together with a new signalling system and renewed track. The improvements will bring about faster, more frequent services along with improved reliability, customer information, accessibility and enhanced safety and security. Trains on the Circle and Hammersmith & City lines will increase in size from six to seven carriages, an overall capacity increase of 17 per cent, as will those on the District line between Edgware Road and Wimbledon. Mayor of London Ken Livingstone said: "The upgrade of these lines is the next stage of Transport for London's (TfL's)investment in the renewal and improvement of London Underground. "This upgrade will be felt by passengers every day, who will benefit from air-conditioning and extra space on the trains. "It will also deliver major energy efficiencies which will reduce energy costs and make a positive contribution towards reducing London's CO2 use and tackling climate change." The improvements are part of TfL's UKP10bn Investment Programme, to meet London's transport needs now and in future. TACKLING CLIMATE CHANGE The work will be undertaken by Metronet Rail SSL and is the biggest single package of improvement works planned on the Tube under TfL's investment plans. London Underground (LU) announced that it is in the early stages of investigating increasing the power supply on the sub-surface network from 630v to 750v - the same as the National Rail network. This would deliver even greater energy efficiencies and would also contribute towards the reduction of heat levels on the sub-surface network. The new trains will also have regenerative braking which means they will use 20-25 per cent less energy than current trains on the sub-surface network, making a real contribution towards tackling CO2 emissions. LONGER CARRIAGES Regenerative braking works by recycling power production from the action of the train braking and puts it back in the power network. This is already a feature on Central, Northern and Jubilee line trains. Transport Commissioner Peter Hendy said: "This is the biggest single package of improvements for these lines since they opened in 1863, running over the same route from Paddington to Farringdon they do today. "Over one million people use these lines each day and they will all benefit. SHORTER JOURNEY TIMES "All lines will get new trains, with the Circle, Hammersmith & City line and part of the District line, which serve some of the busiest sections on the Tube, getting new longer seven-carriage trains." LU Managing Director Tim O'Toole said: "The new trains will also have air conditioning and deliver more reliable and comfortable journeys for passengers. "Shorter journey times will be delivered through a combination of track improvements, a new signalling system and reduced boarding times at stations. "A common train fleet for all these lines will help us deliver a better service to passengers. "It will provide more robust and reliable trains, with more integrated and flexible services on all of the Circle, District, Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan lines." ENDS NOTES FOR EDITORS - TfL is investing UKP10bn over the next five years to improve and expand London's transport network, more than half of that in the Tube - Metronet Rail SSL is responsible for the renewal and maintenance of Circle, District, Hammersmith & City, Metropolitan and East London lines - Hammersmith & City and Circle lines trains (C-stock) are presently made up of six carriages but will increase to seven carriages when the new rolling stock is delivered. C-stock trains also operate the District service between Wimbledon and Edgware Road - Metropolitan line trains will remain at eight carriages while District line trains (D-stock) will increase to seven carriages from their present six carriages but the overall train length will remain virtually the same - Metronet Rail SSL has awarded the contract to build the new sub-surface fleet to Bombardier Transportation in Derby who will deliver a total of 190 trains - To deliver the additional seventh carriage, LU has exercised a Specified Right under the PPP contract with Metronet Rail SSL - The new 190-strong train fleet, which will be common to all sub-surface lines, will be fully air-conditioned with CCTV throughout and walk-through gangways between carriages. The trains will be built by Bombardier in Derby and will be delivered between late 2009 and 2015. There will be dedicated spaces for wheelchair users and those with luggage and prams. The biggest accessibility improvement is that access to the train carriage will be at precisely the same height as the platforms allowing ease of access to and from the train |
New Carriage Lengths and Other Rolling Stock News
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writes Trains on the Circle and Hammersmith & City lines will increase in size from six to seven carriages, an overall capacity increase of 17 per cent, as will those on the District line between Edgware Road and Wimbledon. [...] District line trains (D-stock) will increase to seven carriages from their present six carriages but the overall train length will remain virtually the same The first part refers to S-stock, right? Is it 7 carriages each the length of the C-stock ones, in which case how are they going to solve the platform length issues? Or is 7S the same length as 6C, in which case the "increase of 17%" is grossly misleading. The second part is talking about replacing 6D by 7S, right? -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
New Carriage Lengths and Other Rolling Stock News
The 7 Car Artic S Stock will be used on the District and Circle &
Hammersmith lines. These will be longer (can't recall how much, probably about 5ish metres) than the current C Stock. Until rebuilding work has recieved consent through the Transport & Works Act and been carried out at stations with shorter platforms like Bayswater and Baker Street (5&6) some doors will remain closed. The Metropolitan Line will use 8 Cars of S Stock and I suspect that the seating may be a bit different than the 7 Car - to satisfy those further north. Clive D. W. Feather wrote: In article , Paul G writes Trains on the Circle and Hammersmith & City lines will increase in size from six to seven carriages, an overall capacity increase of 17 per cent, as will those on the District line between Edgware Road and Wimbledon. [...] District line trains (D-stock) will increase to seven carriages from their present six carriages but the overall train length will remain virtually the same The first part refers to S-stock, right? Is it 7 carriages each the length of the C-stock ones, in which case how are they going to solve the platform length issues? Or is 7S the same length as 6C, in which case the "increase of 17%" is grossly misleading. The second part is talking about replacing 6D by 7S, right? -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
New Carriage Lengths and Other Rolling Stock News
Clive D. W. Feather wrote:
In article , Paul G writes Trains on the Circle and Hammersmith & City lines will increase in size from six to seven carriages, an overall capacity increase of 17 per cent, as will those on the District line between Edgware Road and Wimbledon. [...] District line trains (D-stock) will increase to seven carriages from their present six carriages but the overall train length will remain virtually the same The first part refers to S-stock, right? Is it 7 carriages each the length of the C-stock ones, in which case how are they going to solve the platform length issues? Or is 7S the same length as 6C, in which case the "increase of 17%" is grossly misleading. I don't know the actual car lengths for S-stock, but my understanding is that they will be about the same as C-stock and A-stock (roughly 15 to 16 m length). The Evening Standard today said that "station platforms on the Circle and Hammersmith & City lines will be extended for the longer trains. A massive hole will be dug in Marylebone Road to increase [sic] Baker Street platforms. Work is also needed at Paddington and Bayswater stations." The second part is talking about replacing 6D by 7S, right? Yes. D-stock cars are 18.1 to 18.4 m long (dimensions from the Tubeprune site at http://www.trainweb.org/tubeprune/Dimensions.htm ) -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
New Carriage Lengths and Other Rolling Stock News
chunky munky wrote:
The 7 Car Artic S Stock will be used on the District and Circle & Hammersmith lines. When you say Artic[ulated], do you mean that two cars share a bogie? I don't remember seeing that specified anywhere in relation to S-stock. Or did you just mean that there is passenger access between cars through wide gangways? (The word 'articulated' seems to be used in both senses these days.) -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
New Carriage Lengths and Other Rolling Stock News
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New Carriage Lengths and Other Rolling Stock News
Paul G wrote: London Underground (LU) announced that it is in the early stages of investigating increasing the power supply on the sub-surface network from 630v to 750v - the same as the National Rail network. Didn't they reduce the voltage from 640 a few years back? Can't they make their minds up? Also won't this mean that these lines will now be strictly limited to the new stock? What if they need to run some jubilee stock over the met line tracks from finchley road or piccadilly stock over the distict lines from hammersmith to acton? Not to mention the shared piccadilly and met section to uxbridge. B2003 |
New Carriage Lengths and Other Rolling Stock News
The new S stock will still run on the current set up 630V (420+ve &
210-ve) but will have optimal perfomance at 750V (or whatever they are going to use). LUL trains can still run over 750V lines as they currently do on the District and Bakerloo lines. Boltar wrote: Paul G wrote: London Underground (LU) announced that it is in the early stages of investigating increasing the power supply on the sub-surface network from 630v to 750v - the same as the National Rail network. Didn't they reduce the voltage from 640 a few years back? Can't they make their minds up? Also won't this mean that these lines will now be strictly limited to the new stock? What if they need to run some jubilee stock over the met line tracks from finchley road or piccadilly stock over the distict lines from hammersmith to acton? Not to mention the shared piccadilly and met section to uxbridge. B2003 |
New Carriage Lengths and Other Rolling Stock News
"Transport Commissioner Peter Hendy said: "This is the biggest single
package of improvements for these lines since they opened in 1863" Hmmm.....surely the changeover from steam to electric tops this? |
New Carriage Lengths and Other Rolling Stock News
chunky munky wrote: LUL trains can still run over 750V lines as they currently do on the District and Bakerloo lines. Yes , but arn't those lines set up so that 3rd rail stock gets 750V but 4 rail LU stock still only gets 630V? With this new LU stock I presume it'll be 750V going through the 4th rail system. Wouldn't this blow any 630V tube stock? B2003 |
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