Seems Kuddly Ken has decided that its now fine to charge someone 4 quid
for a single fare via zone 1. I'm presuming that this is to force
people onto Oyster. Or is it perhaps to stop visitors to the city from
using public transport? Possbily a health drive , get them all walking?

Seriously , I don't understand the logic behind this. Wtf is he trying
to achieve? Its simply going to screw money out of tourists or visiting
businessmen who don't know about Oyster or don't walk to fork out for
one or go to the hassle of getting one just for a short trip. I suspect
quite a few after sampling the pathetic service and sky high prices on
tube might well not bother coming back. Well done Ken.

B2003

In article .com,
(Boltar) wrote:

Seems Kuddly Ken has decided that its now fine to charge someone 4
quid for a single fare via zone 1. I'm presuming that this is to force
people onto Oyster. Or is it perhaps to stop visitors to the city
from using public transport? Possbily a health drive , get them all
walking?

Seriously , I don't understand the logic behind this. Wtf is he
trying to achieve? Its simply going to screw money out of tourists or
visiting businessmen who don't know about Oyster or don't walk to fork
out for one or go to the hassle of getting one just for a short trip. I

suspect quite a few after sampling the pathetic service and sky high
prices on tube might well not bother coming back. Well done Ken.

He's obviously not got through to you to get an Oyster card, has he? I'm
a visitor to London with an Oyster card.

--
Colin Rosenstiel.

Boltar wrote:
Its simply going to screw money out of tourists or visiting
businessmen who don't know about Oyster
B2003

Is there anything wrong with this in principle, given especially as the
former are unlikely to have paid the extortionate subsidy that those of
us living in London have to pay to finance public transport?

Marc.

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
He's obviously not got through to you to get an Oyster card, has he? I'm
a visitor to London with an Oyster card.

I've had an oyster card since they first came out funnily enough. And
well done to you for getting a card though since you're a regular on
this group I suspect you already knew about them. I doubt the same can
be said for 99% of tourists who come here however. Do you read up on
the ticketing of the metro and bus systems in every foreign city you
visit before you go in case you get screwed by some megalomanic mayor
and his patsies by not coughing up a deposit beforehand to buy the
local smartcard?

B2003

wrote:

Boltar wrote:
Its simply going to screw money out of tourists or visiting
businessmen who don't know about Oyster
B2003

Is there anything wrong with this in principle, given especially as the
former are unlikely to have paid the extortionate subsidy that those of
us living in London have to pay to finance public transport?

IMO yes. The fare should be the same no matter how you pay. I don't go
into a shop and have to pay double for a coffee just because I paid
with cash and not a smartcard so why should it apply to the tube and
buses? Also if the mayor wants to stiff tourists why not take it to its
logical conclusion and just charge them an entry fee at airports? As
for subsidies , all public transport is subsidised around the world by
the local population. If you use your argument you might as well say
anyone foreign can't even walk on the pavements here since they didn't
pay the tax to build or maintain them.

B2003

In article . com,
"Boltar" wrote:


I've had an oyster card since they first came out funnily enough. And
well done to you for getting a card though since you're a regular on
this group I suspect you already knew about them. I doubt the same can
be said for 99% of tourists who come here however. Do you read up on
the ticketing of the metro and bus systems in every foreign city you
visit before you go in case you get screwed by some megalomanic mayor
and his patsies by not coughing up a deposit beforehand to buy the
local smartcard?

What nonsense. Many other world cities have travelcard systems - why
wouldn't someone check out London's? And you don't need to 'read up' on
them - you can just go to a ticket office or machine and buy one in most
cities I've been to.

E.

Boltar wrote:

wrote:

Boltar wrote:
Its simply going to screw money out of tourists or visiting
businessmen who don't know about Oyster
B2003

Is there anything wrong with this in principle, given especially as the
former are unlikely to have paid the extortionate subsidy that those of
us living in London have to pay to finance public transport?

IMO yes. The fare should be the same no matter how you pay. I don't go
into a shop and have to pay double for a coffee just because I paid
with cash and not a smartcard so why should it apply to the tube and
buses? Also if the mayor wants to stiff tourists why not take it to its
logical conclusion and just charge them an entry fee at airports? As
for subsidies , all public transport is subsidised around the world by
the local population. If you use your argument you might as well say
anyone foreign can't even walk on the pavements here since they didn't
pay the tax to build or maintain them.


Get an Oyster, use an Oyster, tell your friends and family to do the
same, or be a mug and pay the higher fares.

Regarding foreign visitors to London:
"In partnership with Visit Britain, TfL now offers visitors from
selected countries outside the UK the option to buy an adult Oyster
card before arriving in London."
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/fares-tick...7/visitors.asp

With Mayor Ken the price differential is here to stay. If you don't
like it, vote him out. Whether any of the other candidates will offer a
promise to abolish the price differential remains to be seen.

And if you don't live in Greater London and hence can't vote in the
Mayoral elections, then you can always stop coming into London.

In article ,
(eastender) wrote:

In article . com,
"Boltar" wrote:

I've had an oyster card since they first came out funnily enough.
And well done to you for getting a card though since you're a regular

on this group I suspect you already knew about them. I doubt the
same can be said for 99% of tourists who come here however. Do you
read up on the ticketing of the metro and bus systems in every
foreign city you visit before you go in case you get screwed by some
megalomanic mayor and his patsies by not coughing up a deposit
beforehand to buy the local smartcard?

What nonsense. Many other world cities have travelcard systems -
why wouldn't someone check out London's? And you don't need to
'read up' on them - you can just go to a ticket office or machine
and buy one in most cities I've been to.

Precisely. Just regard cash fares as a tax on the ignorant, as in almost
every city in the world.

--
Colin Rosenstiel.

Mizter T wrote:
Get an Oyster, use an Oyster, tell your friends and family to do the
same, or be a mug and pay the higher fares.

Get mugged when you buy an oyster from the theft that originates
1) When they oyster is deducted at the barrier, but the gates don't
open, you get "seek assistance", the gateline ****s force you to touch
the bi-directional paddel, and you have an unresolved journey which
means an annoying and expensive phone call, or a long queue at the only
window left open and hope that the guy is feeling generous enough to
give you your own money back that his company just stole.

2) When the line is suspended, and you exit the same station you just
entered

3) When the line is suspended, and tickets are valid on other routes.
Apart from the fact they aren't, as you have to pay when you get on the
bus

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article ,
(eastender) wrote:
What nonsense. Many other world cities have travelcard systems -
why wouldn't someone check out London's? And you don't need to

Why would you? I don't know any other city metro that penalises people
for buying a normal ticket. If you know otherwise then please tell us
where.

'read up' on them - you can just go to a ticket office or machine
and buy one in most cities I've been to.

How many cities have you been too? Can you speak every language in the
world? Try going to the eastern block and asking the babushka at the
ticket office about the fares in english and see what sort of response
you get.


Precisely. Just regard cash fares as a tax on the ignorant, as in almost
every city in the world.

Should be a tax you 2 should be paying then.

B2003