My son bought a cheap day return ticket yesterday from Epsom to
Potter's Bar. He bought it from the Southern machine at Epsom
station. The outward journey (Epsom-Vauxhall-Finsbury Pk-Potter's
Bar) was uneventful, but on the way back, the barrier at Vauxhall
Underground would not let him out. He showed his ticket to the
attendant, who said it was not valid for the tube journey -- though
she let him out without asking him to pay.

Looking at the NRES website, a CDR Epsom - Potter's Bar with a YP
railcard is £9.50, which is what he was charged. The website is
silent, so far as I can see, on the subject of whether that includes
the tube journey, though the attendant was correct in that his ticket
did not have the '+' symbol indicating that the tube is included.

I was under the impression that all cross-London tickets include the
tube segment, at least by default. Am I wrong? Or is the machine
just programmed wrongly? I am reasonably sure that the same machine
recently issued an Epsom - Cambridge return which included the tube,
and I have never seen it offer a 'tube or no tube' option.

There are no Underground barriers at Finsbury Park (my son says), but
his ticket did let him into the Underground at Vauxhall on the outward
journey. He mentioned this to the attendant who said yes, it will let
you in but not out -- which would seem to be strange advice, were it
not for the fact that it appears to be true.

Peter CS

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My son bought a cheap day return ticket yesterday from Epsom to
Potter's Bar. He bought it from the Southern machine at Epsom
station. The outward journey (Epsom-Vauxhall-Finsbury
Pk-Potter's Bar) was uneventful, but on the way back, the barrier at
Vauxhall Underground would not let him out. He showed his ticket to
the
attendant, who said it was not valid for the tube journey -- though
she let him out without asking him to pay.

Looking at the NRES website, a CDR Epsom - Potter's Bar with a YP
railcard is £9.50, which is what he was charged. The website is
silent, so far as I can see, on the subject of whether that includes
the tube journey, though the attendant was correct in that his
ticket did not have the '+' symbol indicating that the tube is
included.

I was under the impression that all cross-London tickets include the
tube segment, at least by default. Am I wrong? Or is the machine
just programmed wrongly? I am reasonably sure that the same machine
recently issued an Epsom - Cambridge return which included the tube,
and I have never seen it offer a 'tube or no tube' option.

There are no Underground barriers at Finsbury Park (my son says),
but his ticket did let him into the Underground at Vauxhall on the
outward journey. He mentioned this to the attendant who said yes, it
will let you in but not out -- which would seem to be strange advice,
were it not for the fact that it appears to be true.

What route would they expect you to use if not the one your some did use?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:

My son bought a cheap day return ticket yesterday from Epsom to
Potter's Bar. He bought it from the Southern machine at Epsom
station. The outward journey (Epsom-Vauxhall-Finsbury Pk-Potter's
Bar) was uneventful, but on the way back, the barrier at Vauxhall
Underground would not let him out. He showed his ticket to the
attendant, who said it was not valid for the tube journey -- though
she let him out without asking him to pay.

Looking at the NRES website, a CDR Epsom - Potter's Bar with a YP
railcard is £9.50, which is what he was charged. The website is
silent, so far as I can see, on the subject of whether that includes
the tube journey, though the attendant was correct in that his ticket
did not have the '+' symbol indicating that the tube is included.

I was under the impression that all cross-London tickets include the
tube segment, at least by default. Am I wrong? Or is the machine
just programmed wrongly? I am reasonably sure that the same machine
recently issued an Epsom - Cambridge return which included the tube,
and I have never seen it offer a 'tube or no tube' option.

There are no Underground barriers at Finsbury Park (my son says), but
his ticket did let him into the Underground at Vauxhall on the outward
journey. He mentioned this to the attendant who said yes, it will let
you in but not out -- which would seem to be strange advice, were it
not for the fact that it appears to be true.


From a quick look at the National Rail site, it seems that ticket isn't
valid via the SWT route from Epsom but is valid on the Southern route
into Victoria. Can't imagine why it wouldn't have the '+' though.







--
Bob

On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:40 +0100 (BST), Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

What route would they expect you to use if not the one your some did use?

You could avoid using the Tube by taking FCC from Sutton to King's
Cross Thameslink.

In article ,
(Bob Wood) wrote:

wrote:

My son bought a cheap day return ticket yesterday from Epsom to
Potter's Bar. He bought it from the Southern machine at Epsom
station.

[snip]

From a quick look at the National Rail site, it seems that ticket
isn't valid via the SWT route from Epsom but is valid on the
Southern route into Victoria. Can't imagine why it wouldn't have
the '+' though.

Thameslink?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
lid (asdf) wrote:

On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:40 +0100 (BST), Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

What route would they expect you to use if not the one your some
did use?

You could avoid using the Tube by taking FCC from Sutton to King's
Cross Thameslink.

Yes. I expect this fare goes back to the days when Thameslink services
ran to Epsom.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article ,
lid (asdf) wrote:

On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:40 +0100 (BST), Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

What route would they expect you to use if not the one your some
did use?

You could avoid using the Tube by taking FCC from Sutton to King's
Cross Thameslink.

Yes. I expect this fare goes back to the days when Thameslink services
ran to Epsom.

The FCC CDR fare is not the one that the OP's son paid. That is even
cheaper than the £9.50 that was paid.




--
Bob

On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, wrote:

There are no Underground barriers at Finsbury Park (my son says),

's true.

tom

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X is for ... EXECUTION!

(crossposted to uk.railway)

wrote:
My son bought a cheap day return ticket yesterday from Epsom to
Potter's Bar. He bought it from the Southern machine at Epsom
station. The outward journey (Epsom-Vauxhall-Finsbury Pk-Potter's
Bar) was uneventful, but on the way back, the barrier at Vauxhall
Underground would not let him out. He showed his ticket to the
attendant, who said it was not valid for the tube journey -- though
she let him out without asking him to pay.

Looking at the NRES website, a CDR Epsom - Potter's Bar with a YP
railcard is £9.50, which is what he was charged. The website is
silent, so far as I can see, on the subject of whether that includes
the tube journey, though the attendant was correct in that his ticket
did not have the '+' symbol indicating that the tube is included.

I was under the impression that all cross-London tickets include the
tube segment, at least by default. Am I wrong? Or is the machine
just programmed wrongly? I am reasonably sure that the same machine
recently issued an Epsom - Cambridge return which included the tube,
and I have never seen it offer a 'tube or no tube' option.

There are no Underground barriers at Finsbury Park (my son says), but
his ticket did let him into the Underground at Vauxhall on the outward
journey. He mentioned this to the attendant who said yes, it will let
you in but not out -- which would seem to be strange advice, were it
not for the fact that it appears to be true.

This is rather strange. Qjump shows two CDR fares

CHEAP DAY RETURN ANY PERMITTED 8.00 GBP (5.30 with YP railcard)
CHEAP DAY RETURN ANY PERMITTED 14.40 GBP (9.50 with YP railcard)

However it won't offer any trains for the 8.00 fare. Looking on the Avantix
program it only shows one fare of 8.00 Route +ANY PERMITTED.

Can someone check the latest NFM and see what the correct fare for this
journey is supposed to be?

Peter Smyth

On 9 Jul, 18:52, "Peter Smyth" wrote:

This is rather strange. Qjump shows two CDR fares

CHEAP DAY RETURN ANY PERMITTED 8.00 GBP (5.30 with YP railcard)
CHEAP DAY RETURN ANY PERMITTED 14.40 GBP (9.50 with YP railcard)

However it won't offer any trains for the 8.00 fare. Looking on the Avantix
program it only shows one fare of 8.00 Route +ANY PERMITTED.

Can someone check the latest NFM and see what the correct fare for this
journey is supposed to be?

Peter Smyth

It is possible to complete that journey using NR - Epsom Clapham
Junction London Bridge Thameslink to Kings Cross Potters Bar. So
I suppose one was +Tube and the other wasn't.

Finsbury Park does not have tube barriers, so I suppose that could
have something to do with it. There's a similar post of a person who
went from Paddington(?) to Clapham Junction without the + using tube
one way, but wouldn't allow him through the barriers the other way.