"John Rowland" wrote in message
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wrote:
A similar critiscm can be made of the North London Line, that other
jewel in TFL's crown....
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Further isolated stations are at Homerton and Hackney Wick before
finally, a triumphal return to a fully-integrated site is made at
Stratford.

... but not fully integrated with the Stratford HSL1 station.

You forgot to mention that the North London Line has no station where it
crosses the proposed West London Tram route, and the tram won't even have
a stop at the nearest point to Acton Central station.


Hardly an issue as WLT has been all but cancelled, in the run up to the
Crossrail announcement...

Paul

"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote in message
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wrote:

Gospel Oak at least serves LO's own GobLin service, albeit through an
awkward subway WB,

Erm the GOBLIN's bay platform is on the westbound NLL platform isn't it?
....

Eastbound, unless it's changed recently.
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David Biddulph

"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote in message
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wrote:

Gospel Oak at least serves LO's own GobLin service, albeit through an
awkward subway WB,

Erm the GOBLIN's bay platform is on the westbound NLL platform isn't it?


Eastbound (northern). I expect the earlier post intended "through an awkward
subway 'from the' WB..."

Also the track & platform layout is a mess - it's not possible to have a
through service switching between lines that stops at Gospel Oak.

Expect if through services off Goblin towards WJ ever happen (and it is in
one of the proposals), the bay will be closed and at least one platform
moved onto the westbound through line, possibly platforms on both lines...

Paul

David Biddulph wrote:

Gospel Oak at least serves LO's own GobLin service, albeit through an
awkward subway WB,

Erm the GOBLIN's bay platform is on the westbound NLL platform isn't it?

Eastbound, unless it's changed recently.

Oops, mea culpa. But certainly a more useful interchange in one direction
than a subway from both would be.

Paul Scott wrote:

Also the track & platform layout is a mess - it's not possible to have a
through service switching between lines that stops at Gospel Oak.

Expect if through services off Goblin towards WJ ever happen (and it is in
one of the proposals), the bay will be closed and at least one platform
moved onto the westbound through line, possibly platforms on both lines...

Is it viable to make the through NLL platforms the reversing point for
GOBLIN trains? Whilst I can see a through service happening, I'd be
sceptical if it were for all services.

And do the track connections actually allow the GOBLIN to switch to the NLL
east of the platforms? My recollection is that they don't physically connect
at all on that side.

Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:
Paul Scott wrote:

Also the track & platform layout is a mess - it's not possible to
have a through service switching between lines that stops at Gospel
Oak.

Expect if through services off Goblin towards WJ ever happen (and it
is in one of the proposals), the bay will be closed and at least one
platform moved onto the westbound through line, possibly platforms
on both lines...

Is it viable to make the through NLL platforms the reversing point for
GOBLIN trains? Whilst I can see a through service happening, I'd be
sceptical if it were for all services.

It would require new viaduct and the desecration of an industrial yard, for
very little benefit, especially since Gospel Oak is the middle of nowhere.
Making the current bay platform a bidirectional through platform (for Goblin
passenger trains only) doesn't look hard form this photo...

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=...e=-1&encType=1

That would allow some Goblins to terminate here and some to serve Gospel Oak
on their way to or from Clapham Junction etc.

"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote in message
...
Paul Scott wrote:

Also the track & platform layout is a mess - it's not possible to have a
through service switching between lines that stops at Gospel Oak.

Expect if through services off Goblin towards WJ ever happen (and it is
in one of the proposals), the bay will be closed and at least one
platform moved onto the westbound through line, possibly platforms on
both lines...

Is it viable to make the through NLL platforms the reversing point for
GOBLIN trains? Whilst I can see a through service happening, I'd be
sceptical if it were for all services.

And do the track connections actually allow the GOBLIN to switch to the
NLL east of the platforms? My recollection is that they don't physically
connect at all on that side.

Don't forget the NLL platforms are curving round to the south as the NLL
leaves Gospel Oak eastbound, there woul be significant new track &
embankment works to get over from the Goblin and line up with the NLL with a
reasonable curve. It would also add two more unnecessary flat junctions in
the area, which is a bit of a negative when trying to increase passenger
frequencies while allowing for existing freight. Two new platforms is
probably the easiest solution really, and Google Earth seems to show bags of
room for them...

Paul

Paul Scott wrote:
"John Rowland" wrote in message
...
wrote:
A similar critiscm can be made of the North London Line, that other
jewel in TFL's crown....
snip
You forgot to mention that the North London Line has no station where it
crosses the proposed West London Tram route, and the tram won't even have
a stop at the nearest point to Acton Central station.


Hardly an issue as WLT has been all but cancelled, in the run up to the
Crossrail announcement...


There is a reasonable, if not brilliant (2/3 mile walk) interchange
between Acton Central and Acton Main Line. So what, I hear you say, but
of course in a few years that becomes Overground/Crossrail and should be
rather important. A station on the NLL just south of the A40 bridge
might be possible, given that Crossrail is mostly useless to us south
west London types as none of the stations are particularly easy to reach.

Of course, you could always move the stone terminal and have a Park and
Ride there, or something.

Tom

wrote:
when the line passes over the Central Line and Chiltern Railways
Ruislip branch, it is only a few hundred yards from North Acton
station, yet again no interchange is possible, despite
long-standing plans for such a facility here.

Plans? Are you sure? If so, where can I find them? Or do you just mean
"dreams"?

--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

On 28 Nov, 14:40, "Richard J." wrote:
wrote:
when the line passes over the Central Line and Chiltern Railways
Ruislip branch, it is only a few hundred yards from North Acton
station, yet again no interchange is possible, despite
long-standing plans for such a facility here.

Plans? Are you sure? If so, where can I find them? Or do you just mean
"dreams"?

--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

Ealing Council list it in their plans:

page 117 of
http://www.ealing.gov.uk/ealing3/exp...Chapter_08.pdf