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Default Sat Nav v the taxi knowledge

Test carried out by BBC using one of the latest Sat Navs
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ne/7143897.stm

Seems that the taxi driver using the traditional knowledge can still
beat the Sat Nav.

stands back and waits for comments

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A Taxi driver licensed for London and Brighton
at home in Tarring, West Sussex, England

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Mike Hughes wrote:
Test carried out by BBC using one of the latest Sat Navs
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ne/7143897.stm

Seems that the taxi driver using the traditional knowledge can still
beat the Sat Nav.

stands back and waits for comments


*crickets chirping*
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(Mike Hughes) wrote:

Test carried out by BBC using one of the latest Sat Navs
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ne/7143897.stm

Seems that the taxi driver using the traditional knowledge can
still beat the Sat Nav.

stands back and waits for comments

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Mike Hughes
A Taxi driver licensed for London and Brighton
at home in Tarring, West Sussex, England


I'm not in the least surprised. SatNav systems seem to be seriously crap
at claiming routes exist that in fact don't.

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Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
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(Mike Hughes) wrote:

Test carried out by BBC using one of the latest Sat Navs
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ne/7143897.stm

Seems that the taxi driver using the traditional knowledge can
still beat the Sat Nav.

stands back and waits for comments

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Mike Hughes
A Taxi driver licensed for London and Brighton
at home in Tarring, West Sussex, England


I'm not in the least surprised. SatNav systems seem to be seriously
crap at claiming routes exist that in fact don't.


My TomTom says that the *fastest* route from Euston Road to Essex Road is
Pentonville Rd - City Rd - Wakley St - Goswell Rd - Islington High St -
Upper St - Islington Gn. Crazy! If you ask for the shortest route, it sends
you through Baron St and White Lion St, which is the correct shortest and
fastest route.


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Test carried out by BBC using one of the latest Sat Navs
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ne/7143897.stm

Seems that the taxi driver using the traditional knowledge can still beat
the Sat Nav.

stands back and waits for comments

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Mike Hughes
A Taxi driver licensed for London and Brighton
at home in Tarring, West Sussex, England


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OK then, take me from Manor House station to Gibson square.



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(John Rowland) wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article ,
(Mike Hughes) wrote:

Test carried out by BBC using one of the latest Sat Navs
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ne/7143897.stm

Seems that the taxi driver using the traditional knowledge can
still beat the Sat Nav.

stands back and waits for comments

--
Mike Hughes
A Taxi driver licensed for London and Brighton
at home in Tarring, West Sussex, England


I'm not in the least surprised. SatNav systems seem to be
seriously crap at claiming routes exist that in fact don't.


My TomTom says that the *fastest* route from Euston Road to Essex
Road is Pentonville Rd - City Rd - Wakley St - Goswell Rd -
Islington High St - Upper St - Islington Gn. Crazy! If you ask for
the shortest route, it sends you through Baron St and White Lion
St, which is the correct shortest and fastest route.


At least it doesn't try to route you through any bollarded streets!

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On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:54:25 +0000, Mike Hughes
wrote:

Test carried out by BBC using one of the latest Sat Navs
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ne/7143897.stm

Seems that the taxi driver using the traditional knowledge can still
beat the Sat Nav.

stands back and waits for comments


Did you actually watch the programme though?

There were three legs

Box Hill - Wembley Stadium
Wembley Stadium - Parliament Square
Parliament Square - Greenwich.

The Sat Nav beat the taxi by about 10 minutes on the first leg as the
taxi driver got stuck down country lanes just like the Sat Nav system!
On the second leg the taxi only overtook the BBC car on what looked like
the Edgware Road and then ducked and dived down some back streets off
Park Lane to cut through to Parliament Square. What was more galling was
the taxi driver saying "well mate, make sure you avoid Piccadilly and
Piccadilly Circus and dive round by Buck Palace to get to Westminster".
The only issue being, of course, that his diversion off Park Lane took
him exactly in the direction of Piccadilly and not Buck Palace but heh!

On the second leg the taxi gained about 15 minutes or so. This lead
expanded to 27 minutes by Greenwich.

The point of the programme was really to show that the Sat Nav
"congestion avoiding" element of the software / system was not very
sophisticated. The big difference being that what counts as a jam for
London was showing as clear on the system.

I'm not a fan of Sat Nav systems - give me a real map any day of the
week - but it's surely not a great surprise that a human being with the
benefit of expert knowledge, experience and common sense can outwit a
partially developed computer system??

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My TomTom says that the *fastest* route from Euston Road to Essex Road is
Pentonville Rd - City Rd - Wakley St - Goswell Rd - Islington High St -
Upper St - Islington Gn. Crazy! If you ask for the shortest route, it

sends
you through Baron St and White Lion St, which is the correct shortest and
fastest route.


In my view, SatNav doesn't exist to help me get to my destination via the
fastest route and I don't expect it.

However, most routes it comes up with would always be quicker then me
driving by myself, getting lost, missing turns, stopping and consulting a
map (or, saint's preserve us - asking a local) even if it is not the fastest
route that someone who knows the area would use.

If you know what the fastest and best route it, why would you need to follow
a Sat Nav anyway?

Best Wishes,
LEWIS


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"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
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On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:54:25 +0000, Mike Hughes
wrote:

I'm not a fan of Sat Nav systems - give me a real map any day of the
week - but it's surely not a great surprise that a human being with the
benefit of expert knowledge, experience and common sense can outwit a
partially developed computer system??


Naturally local knowledge will always beat a computer, but Sat Navs come up
trumps when you visit a place you've never been to before.


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"Mike Hughes" wrote in message
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Test carried out by BBC using one of the latest Sat Navs
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ne/7143897.stm

Seems that the taxi driver using the traditional knowledge can still
beat the Sat Nav.

stands back and waits for comments

-- Mike Hughes
A Taxi driver licensed for London and Brighton
at home in Tarring, West Sussex, England



--------------------------------------------------------

OK then, take me from Manor House station to Gibson square.


LOL

(For those who don't know that is the very first 'route' in the 'blue
book' issued by the Public Carriage Office to those intending to become
taxi drivers)

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Mike Hughes
A Taxi driver licensed for London and Brighton
at home in Tarring, West Sussex, England


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