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Seems like TfL have exercised all their options for Class 378s with
another 7 ordered. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/medi...ntre/7821.aspx No idea how that relates to the "1300 extra carriages" but a 7-8 min service on the core section of the NLL will be a pretty impressive frequency. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
Seems like TfL have exercised all their options for Class 378s with another 7 ordered. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/medi...ntre/7821.aspx I notice that these trains will have "state-of-the-art heating and air-conditioning systems, look and feel of Tube trains and be walk-through, without doors between carriages", which sounds just like the new S Stock trains. Are there any other similarities? I know these trains are shorter (4 vs 7/8 carriages), but they sound quite similar in other respects, including where they're being built. |
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On 1 Apr, 22:43, Paul Corfield wrote: Seems like TfL have exercised all their options for Class 378s with another 7 ordered. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/medi...ntre/7821.aspx No idea how that relates to the "1300 extra carriages" but a 7-8 min service on the core section of the NLL will be a pretty impressive frequency. Excellent news, though to be honest given both the great popularity of the NLL route and the copious potential for attracting more custom - or indeed, perhaps I should say the significant level of currently suppressed demand - I don't think this is anything more than what is justified for the NLL. The irrepressible Mr Thant has had a tip off about the new NLL service patterns and shares his discoveries with us grateful mortals here on this blog post: http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...e-upgrade.html Though whether the freight trains traversing the NLL are going to stop failing so as to enable this frequency to be delivered is another question! I dare say TfL is already piling the pressure on EWS, GBRf et al to try and ensure their trains don't break down and cause log jams. |
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Recliner wrote:
I notice that these trains will have "state-of-the-art heating and air-conditioning systems, look and feel of Tube trains and be walk-through, without doors between carriages", which sounds just like the new S Stock trains. Are there any other similarities? I know these trains are shorter (4 vs 7/8 carriages), but they sound quite similar in other respects, including where they're being built. No, there are no similarities between the Underground S stock and the class 378 Electrostars. The 378 is very much a suburban main-line design (the almost identical class 376 has been operating on SouthEastern suburban services for the past three years). I'm not sure about the "without doors between carriages" bit, though, I'm sure that the 376 has doors either side of the corridor connection. Perhaps it's felt that with such a regular stopping pattern any draughts from the corridor connection would not be significant. |
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On Apr 1, 11:56 pm, "Jack Taylor" wrote:
I notice that these trains will have "state-of-the-art heating and air-conditioning systems, look and feel of Tube trains and be walk-through, without doors between carriages", which sounds just like the new S Stock trains. Are there any other similarities? I know these trains are shorter (4 vs 7/8 carriages), but they sound quite similar in other respects, including where they're being built. No, there are no similarities between the Underground S stock and the class 378 Electrostars. ?! While the S-stock certainly isn't an Electrostar, suggesting that the Electrostar hasn't been one of key design inputs on which the S-stock was based would be an utter and rather weird lie. -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
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On 2 Apr, 00:32, John B wrote: On Apr 1, 11:56 pm, "Jack Taylor" wrote: I notice that these trains will have "state-of-the-art heating and air-conditioning systems, look and feel of Tube trains and be walk-through, without doors between carriages", which sounds just like the new S Stock trains. Are there any other similarities? I know these trains are shorter (4 vs 7/8 carriages), but they sound quite similar in other respects, including where they're being built. No, there are no similarities between the Underground S stock and the class 378 Electrostars. ?! While the S-stock certainly isn't an Electrostar, suggesting that the Electrostar hasn't been one of key design inputs on which the S-stock was based would be an utter and rather weird lie. A "misunderstanding" (as opposed to a lie) would be a kinder and perhaps more accurate way of putting it. |
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On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, Mizter T wrote:
The irrepressible Mr Thant ITYM Thant the Mighty. He's a cousin of Tharg of that ilk, on his beta-mother's side. At least that's what i heard. tom -- We don't contact anybody or seek anybody's permission for what we do. Even if it's impersonating postal employees. -- Birdstuff |
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Recliner wrote:
"Paul Corfield" wrote in message Seems like TfL have exercised all their options for Class 378s with another 7 ordered. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/medi...ntre/7821.aspx I notice that these trains will have "state-of-the-art heating and air-conditioning systems, look and feel of Tube trains and be walk-through, without doors between carriages", which sounds just like the new S Stock trains. Are there any other similarities? I know these trains are shorter (4 vs 7/8 carriages), but they sound quite similar in other respects, including where they're being built. I think the main similarities will be in the passenger information systems, line coloured grab rails, longitudinal seating, strip line diagrams, central area tube maps and alll the other stuff stuck on the bulkheads of existing surface stock. Someone posted a link to a TfL document defining the internal appearance of the trains a while back, unfortunately it isn't easily found on the TfL downloads website, as its not linked to anywhere. As usual. Paul |
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Mizter T wrote:
On 1 Apr, 22:43, Paul Corfield wrote: Seems like TfL have exercised all their options for Class 378s with another 7 ordered. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/medi...ntre/7821.aspx No idea how that relates to the "1300 extra carriages" but a 7-8 min service on the core section of the NLL will be a pretty impressive frequency. Mr Thant's blog reckons the figures don't add up when you take into account the earlier announcement for 4 extra trains, and now this 7 extra. Could there be an element of double announcing (like what the DfT do)? Not sure about the impact on the famous 1300 - other than that the redundant 313s are probably earmarked as 'new trains' for somewhere far away... Excellent news, though to be honest given both the great popularity of the NLL route and the copious potential for attracting more custom - or indeed, perhaps I should say the significant level of currently suppressed demand - I don't think this is anything more than what is justified for the NLL. The irrepressible Mr Thant has had a tip off about the new NLL service patterns and shares his discoveries with us grateful mortals here on this blog post: http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...e-upgrade.html Though whether the freight trains traversing the NLL are going to stop failing so as to enable this frequency to be delivered is another question! I dare say TfL is already piling the pressure on EWS, GBRf et al to try and ensure their trains don't break down and cause log jams. Mr Thant (who I once wondered might have been a pseudonym of Mizter T - or vice versa!) led me via his blog to this puzzling document on the ORR site, which refers to the capacity of the old trains as 500 per car and the new as 667 per car. Which is pretty cozy... http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pd..._appendix7.pdf Not to mention the beginner's mistake in the use of percentages - 6000 to 10672 is not a 178% rise is it?... Paul S |
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