On 12 Jan, 15:24, Matthew Dickinson
wrote:

On 12 Jan, 15:01, Mizter T wrote:

On 12 Jan, 14:03, "Michael R N Dolbear" wrote:

Mizter T wrote:

The other thing to say is that the ES article might have managed to
mangle things up somewhat. However it would appear that SWT is
somehow causing problems here - [...]

The problem may be with journeys that use both SWT and Tube (and indeed
with journeys that might). The present rail & tube fairs are quite
expensive compared with NR only and Tube only are they not ?

They are. They are called 'Tube/Train' fares and are a relatively
recent innovation (though there were other types of through fares
available beforehand) - annoyingly whilst there is a public list of
the 2008 fares I haven't found one of the new 2009 fares.

They can be found at

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/faresa...ares/2892.aspx

Thanks very much Matthew. I feel stupid now! I don't think I'd checked
the TfL website, because I don't remember the 'Tube/Train' fares
appearing on it last year - knowing my attention to detail they
probably did!

Taking an example of a zone 3 station - say Streatham Common - to a
central London Tube station - say Euston.

A single rail ticket to 'London Terminals' is £3.10 - so let's say out
passenger went to London Bridge - then an Tube journey for zone 1 with
Oyster PAYG is £1.60 (both peak and off-peak). Total cost £4.70.

Meanwhile the Tube/Train fare for three zones inc. z1 costs £5.10.

One might say there is a benefit of the latter Tube/Train fare, in
that the passenger can get off their NR train at Balham (zone 3) and
get on to the Tube network there. However if they're planning on doing
this they might as well buy a single from Streatham Common to Balham
at £1.70 then use Oyster PAYG for the Tube fare, which would be
£2.70/£2.20 (peak/off-peak) - so a total cost of £4.40, or £3.90 off-
peak.

So I think I'm basically right in saying that these Tube/Train fares
are more expensive than buying a paper rail ticket plus using Oyster
PAYG for the Tube journey. Obviously that only works if one has an
Oyster card, and that's all before one factors in Railcard or Priv
discounts.