On Jan 15, 5:51*pm, Roland Perry wrote:
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09:20:48 on Thu, 15 Jan 2009, EE507 remarked:

Heathrow is far from being essential and isn't overloaded anyway.

It's severely overloaded, and "essential" for UK plc's international
business ambitions.

Is it really? Please name all the companies deserting the UK because
their CEOs have to wait around a bit at Heathrow.

Name those who will do the same if we cancel Crossrail.

Who's claiming that? Not me. I do know that it can be physically
impossible to board the Hammersmith & City at Paddington in the
morning peak though. It's not good for UK Plc when the labour market
can't get to work...

Can we now return to the subject in hand, starting with wild claims
relating to the economic benefits of aviation and the other points you
snipped?

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10:50:02 on Thu, 15 Jan 2009, EE507 remarked:

Heathrow is far from being essential and isn't overloaded anyway.

It's severely overloaded, and "essential" for UK plc's international
business ambitions.

Is it really? Please name all the companies deserting the UK because
their CEOs have to wait around a bit at Heathrow.

Name those who will do the same if we cancel Crossrail.

Who's claiming that?

I was merely comparing the companies who would desert the UK if Heathrow
wasn't expanded, with those of a similar view regarding Crossrail.

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On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:21:53 -0000, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

Crossrail is not an 'express' service. Its services are all stations
stoppers
from the airport, which is why it takes over Connect, not HEx. Unless it is
to have overtaking loops of course...

And unless they find that nobody wants to use HEx any more, because
Crossrail will go where people want, not Paddington.

Neil

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On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:00:51 -0000, "Peter Masson"
wrote:

I envisage an underground terminus, possibly double ended, with one entrance
from the concourse at St Pancras (near the access to the Thameslink
platforms, and another with an entrance from Euston (may need a travelator).

Why St P? Most people don't want to go there either. Crossrail is
about as ideal a service to be joined to it as you can get.

Neil

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On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:09:54 -0800 (PST), John B
wrote:

Have you ever been to Heathrow? The suggestion that it's been able to
cope with passenger numbers at *any* point in the last 25 years is,
erm, counter-intuitive.

IMO, the best thing to do with LHR would be to set a maximum
throughput of about 30% lower than it currently is.

International transfer business doesn't provide a lot to the UK
economy. Let them change at CDG or Schiphol instead.

Neil

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In message , at 20:16:36 on Thu,
15 Jan 2009, Neil Williams remarked:
Why St P?

For connections to you-rope?

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Roland Perry

In message , at 20:18:58 on Thu,
15 Jan 2009, Neil Williams remarked:
International transfer business doesn't provide a lot to the UK
economy.

It "tops up" the long haul flights that wouldn't have been economic to
run otherwise. So the transfer passengers are assisting UK residents
ability to fly almost anywhere in the world daily.
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Roland Perry

On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:25:00 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

For connections to you-rope?

I doubt it. Why fly to Thiefrow and take a train to Paris/Bruxelles
when you could fly direct?

Neil

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In message , at 20:33:39 on Thu,
15 Jan 2009, Neil Williams remarked:
For connections to you-rope?

I doubt it. Why fly to Thiefrow and take a train to Paris/Bruxelles
when you could fly direct?

Depends where you are starting from.

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Roland Perry

On 15 Jan, 18:06, Roland Perry wrote:
I think that needs verifying, as I don't think there's much room left at
the end of the similar EMT platforms when there's 4+5 car Meridian
parked there.

The 395's carriages are shorter:

(6+6)* 20m = 240m
(5+4)* 23m = 207 m

We also know a 5+5 Meridian fits, which is 230m.

The Kent platforms do extend a bit further north than the MML ones,
though they start a little further north also. I think both sets have
a usable length of at least 250m, possibly 260m, although I don't have
a detailed enough diagram handy to say for sure.

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