Can anyone help me understand this (from http://www.senior-
railcard.co.uk/)?

* All Senior Railcard holders will get 1/3 off Anytime Day Travelcards
(Zones 1 - 6) for journeys starting outside the London Travelcard zones.
* Existing Railcard conditions apply and discounts will be subject to
any time restrictions that apply to the Railcard, for instance restrictions
on travel on week day mornings in the London & South East area.

An Anytime Day Travelcard is one valid at peak (and off-peak) times, unlike
the cheaper Off-Peak one. So if I want to travel at peak time, say
starting at 8am, the first bullet point seems to suggest I get a discount.

But the second one says that the discount is subject to the usual time
restrictions, which a "However, you won’t be able to enjoy a Railcard
discount when travelling peak time Monday to Friday within London and the
South East, including all South West Trains services to and from London
Waterloo."

So that seems to say that I can buy a discounted Anytime Day Travelcard,
but I can only use it off-peak. Why would I want to do that? Is there
some part of the day that is off-peak for the London and South East
restriction, but still peak from a Travelcard point of view?

Peter

--
Peter Campbell Smith ~ Epsom ~ UK

On Sep 9, 4:55 pm, Peter Campbell Smith
wrote:

Can anyone help me understand this
(from http://www.senior-railcard.co.uk/)?

* All Senior Railcard holders will get 1/3 off Anytime Day Travelcards
(Zones 1 - 6) for journeys starting outside the London Travelcard zones.
* Existing Railcard conditions apply and discounts will be subject to
any time restrictions that apply to the Railcard, for instance restrictions
on travel on week day mornings in the London & South East area.

An Anytime Day Travelcard is one valid at peak (and off-peak) times, unlike
the cheaper Off-Peak one. So if I want to travel at peak time, say
starting at 8am, the first bullet point seems to suggest I get a discount..

But the second one says that the discount is subject to the usual time
restrictions, which a "However, you won’t be able to enjoy a Railcard
discount when travelling peak time Monday to Friday within London and the
South East, including all South West Trains services to and from London
Waterloo."

So that seems to say that I can buy a discounted Anytime Day Travelcard,
but I can only use it off-peak. Why would I want to do that? Is there
some part of the day that is off-peak for the London and South East
restriction, but still peak from a Travelcard point of view?


First Capital Connect and NXEA both have evening restrictions on the
return portions of off-peak tickets for trains leaving London during
the evening rush - these restrictions apply both to Off-Peak Day
Returns and also outboundary Travelcards.

Therefore if one wanted to return during these times, one could buy a
Railcard-discounted Anytime Travelcard. (Or alternatively side step
the restrictions!)

FCC's information page on their restrictions is he
http://www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk...iCmsPageId=134

NXEA has some information about the restrictions he
http://www.nationalexpresseastanglia...f_peak_tickets
or via http://tinyurl.com/NXEA-off-peak-tickets


FGW also have some similar-ish restrictions, but I'm afraid they
always confuse me somewhat - for example, you can make use of Turbo
train services (i.e. what was Thames Trains then FGWL) but not HSTs
(i.e. 'Intercity' services). Unfortunately FGW don't provide any
straightforward information on their website (or in any leaflets) that
clarifies the situation, which is IMO a bit stupid.

"Peter Campbell Smith" wrote in message
...
Can anyone help me understand this (from http://www.senior-
railcard.co.uk/)?

* All Senior Railcard holders will get 1/3 off Anytime Day Travelcards
(Zones 1 - 6) for journeys starting outside the London Travelcard zones.
* Existing Railcard conditions apply and discounts will be subject to
any time restrictions that apply to the Railcard, for instance
restrictions
on travel on week day mornings in the London & South East area.

An Anytime Day Travelcard is one valid at peak (and off-peak) times,
unlike
the cheaper Off-Peak one. So if I want to travel at peak time, say
starting at 8am, the first bullet point seems to suggest I get a discount.

But the second one says that the discount is subject to the usual time
restrictions, which a "However, you won't be able to enjoy a Railcard
discount when travelling peak time Monday to Friday within London and the
South East, including all South West Trains services to and from London
Waterloo."

So that seems to say that I can buy a discounted Anytime Day Travelcard,
but I can only use it off-peak. Why would I want to do that? Is there
some part of the day that is off-peak for the London and South East
restriction, but still peak from a Travelcard point of view?

You don't get a discount on Anytime tickets in London and the South East
during the morning peak. However, some TOCs (FCC, NXEA) have introduced
evening peak restrictions on Off-peak tickets. So if you want an
out-boundary Day Travelcard on these TOCs, travelling up Off-peak but
returning in the evening peak, you need an Anytime Day Travelcard - but, as
long as your up journey is on a train on which an Off-peak ticket is valid,
you can use a Senior Railcard (or after 10 am SX, a Network Card) to get a
discounted Anytime Day Travelcard.

Isn't rail ticketing complicated?

Peter

If you want to use the fast services in the evening peak from
Paddington you need the anytime ticket.

On 2009-09-09 17:17:24 +0100, Mizter T said:


On Sep 9, 4:55 pm, Peter Campbell Smith
wrote:

Can anyone help me understand this
(from http://www.senior-railcard.co.uk/)?

* All Senior Railcard holders will get 1/3 off Anytime Day Travelcar
ds
(Zones 1 - 6) for journeys starting outside the London Travelcard zones.
* Existing Railcard conditions apply and discounts will be subject to
any time restrictions that apply to the Railcard, for instance restrictio
ns
on travel on week day mornings in the London & South East area.

An Anytime Day Travelcard is one valid at peak (and off-peak) times, unli
ke
the cheaper Off-Peak one. So if I want to travel at peak time, say
starting at 8am, the first bullet point seems to suggest I get a discount
.

But the second one says that the discount is subject to the usual time
restrictions, which a "However, you won’t be able to enjoy a Railcar
d
discount when travelling peak time Monday to Friday within London and the
South East, including all South West Trains services to and from London
Waterloo."

So that seems to say that I can buy a discounted Anytime Day Travelcard,
but I can only use it off-peak. Why would I want to do that? Is there
some part of the day that is off-peak for the London and South East
restriction, but still peak from a Travelcard point of view?


First Capital Connect and NXEA both have evening restrictions on the
return portions of off-peak tickets for trains leaving London during
the evening rush - these restrictions apply both to Off-Peak Day
Returns and also outboundary Travelcards.

Therefore if one wanted to return during these times, one could buy a
Railcard-discounted Anytime Travelcard. (Or alternatively side step
the restrictions!)

FCC's information page on their restrictions is he
http://www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk...iCmsPageId=134

NXEA has some information about the restrictions he
http://www.nationalexpresseastanglia..._types/off_pea
k_tickets
or via http://tinyurl.com/NXEA-off-peak-tickets


FGW also have some similar-ish restrictions, but I'm afraid they
always confuse me somewhat - for example, you can make use of Turbo
train services (i.e. what was Thames Trains then FGWL) but not HSTs
(i.e. 'Intercity' services). Unfortunately FGW don't provide any
straightforward information on their website (or in any leaflets) that
clarifies the situation, which is IMO a bit stupid.

Some relatives travelled as a group to London (and back!) a couple of
months ago on off-peak tickets and were given a printed (or possibly
photocopied) list of the trains they could use to return to Reading in
the evening peak by the clerk at the ticket office. So such a document
does exist, even if it is a local initiative.
--
Robert

In article ,
(Peter Masson) wrote:

"Peter Campbell Smith" wrote in message
...
Can anyone help me understand this (from
http://www.senior-railcard.co.uk/)?

* All Senior Railcard holders will get 1/3 off Anytime Day
Travelcards (Zones 1 - 6) for journeys starting outside the London
Travelcard zones.
* Existing Railcard conditions apply and discounts will be subject
to any time restrictions that apply to the Railcard, for instance
restrictions on travel on week day mornings in the London & South East
area.

An Anytime Day Travelcard is one valid at peak (and off-peak) times,
unlike the cheaper Off-Peak one. So if I want to travel at peak
time, say starting at 8am, the first bullet point seems to suggest
I get a discount.

But the second one says that the discount is subject to the usual time
restrictions, which a "However, you won't be able to enjoy a
Railcard discount when travelling peak time Monday to Friday within
London and the South East, including all South West Trains services
to and from London Waterloo."

So that seems to say that I can buy a discounted Anytime Day
Travelcard, but I can only use it off-peak. Why would I want to do
that? Is there some part of the day that is off-peak for the
London and South East restriction, but still peak from a Travelcard
point of view?

You don't get a discount on Anytime tickets in London and the South
East during the morning peak. However, some TOCs (FCC, NXEA) have
introduced evening peak restrictions on Off-peak tickets. So if you
want an out-boundary Day Travelcard on these TOCs, travelling up
Off-peak but returning in the evening peak, you need an Anytime Day
Travelcard - but, as long as your up journey is on a train on which
an Off-peak ticket is valid, you can use a Senior Railcard (or
after 10 am SX, a Network Card) to get a discounted Anytime Day
Travelcard.

Isn't rail ticketing complicated?

The joke I share with my boss is that when I get to 60 shortly I'll be
able to get to work an hour earlier. :-)

The standard FCC ruse at Cambridge for those who want to return within the
evening peak is the buy an Off-Peak Day Return or Day Travelcard from Ely
which is cheaper than the anytime version. Cambridge are happy to sell
tickets from Ely, seeing as it's NXEA and not FCC selling them.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Sep 9, 9:24*pm, wrote:

[snip]

The standard FCC ruse at Cambridge for those who want to return within the
evening peak is the buy an Off-Peak Day Return or Day Travelcard from Ely
which is cheaper than the anytime version. Cambridge are happy to sell
tickets from Ely, seeing as it's NXEA and not FCC selling them.

Interesting - thanks for that, that's one to remember. For those not
clued up on these things (and I had to check!), FCC created the
concept of "zones A to E" so as to apply their off-peak evening
restrictions - Ely is in zone E whilst Cambridge is in zone D - and
yes, return journeys to zone E are exempt from the restrictions,
whilst zone D isn't.

FCC's off-peak restrictions and 'zones' are all explained here, along
with a link to a map of the zones:
http://www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk...iCmsPageId=134

In article
,
(Mizter T) wrote:

On Sep 9, 9:24*pm, wrote:

[snip]

The standard FCC ruse at Cambridge for those who want to return within
the evening peak is the buy an Off-Peak Day Return or Day Travelcard
from Ely which is cheaper than the anytime version. Cambridge are
happy to sell tickets from Ely, seeing as it's NXEA and not FCC
selling them.

Interesting - thanks for that, that's one to remember. For those not
clued up on these things (and I had to check!), FCC created the
concept of "zones A to E" so as to apply their off-peak evening
restrictions - Ely is in zone E whilst Cambridge is in zone D - and
yes, return journeys to zone E are exempt from the restrictions,
whilst zone D isn't.

It's not clear to me that FCC themselves would sell Ely tickets.

FCC's off-peak restrictions and 'zones' are all explained here, along
with a link to a map of the zones:
http://www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk...iCmsPageId=134

Yes, byzantine complexity, isn't it? It largely passes me by personally
because the greater peak restriction for me, most of the time, is that on
bicycles which is 16:00-19:00 and not evaded by having an Ely ticket.

A number of my fellow "gentlemen (and lady) commuters" on the 10:20 in the
mornings have Bromptons so do need the Ely ruse from time to time.
Fascinating group, we are, mostly academics but not by all means all. I
think the most glamorous (occupation-wise) is a diamond dealer. :-)

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Mizter T" wrote in message
...

On Sep 9, 9:24 pm, wrote:

[snip]

The standard FCC ruse at Cambridge for those who want to return
within the
evening peak is the buy an Off-Peak Day Return or Day Travelcard from
Ely
which is cheaper than the anytime version. Cambridge are happy to
sell
tickets from Ely, seeing as it's NXEA and not FCC selling them.

Interesting - thanks for that, that's one to remember. For those not
clued up on these things (and I had to check!), FCC created the
concept of "zones A to E" so as to apply their off-peak evening
restrictions - Ely is in zone E whilst Cambridge is in zone D - and
yes, return journeys to zone E are exempt from the restrictions,
whilst zone D isn't.

FCC's off-peak restrictions and 'zones' are all explained here, along
with a link to a map of the zones:
http://www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk...iCmsPageId=134

Although the FCC website is clear that the restrictions do not apply to
Ely, the fares data has not been updated correctly. In The Manual the
CDR from Ely - London has the same restriction code as Cambridge -
London. Therefore online booking engines will not show this ticket for
travel during the evening peak.

Peter Smyth

On Sep 10, 12:51*am, wrote:
The standard FCC ruse at Cambridge for those who want to return within
the evening peak is the buy an Off-Peak Day Return or Day Travelcard
from Ely which is cheaper than the anytime version. Cambridge are
happy to sell tickets from Ely, seeing as it's NXEA and not FCC
selling them.

Interesting - thanks for that, that's one to remember. For those not
clued up on these things (and I had to check!), FCC created the
concept of "zones A to E" so as to apply their off-peak evening
restrictions - Ely is in zone E whilst Cambridge is in zone D - and
yes, return journeys to zone E are exempt from the restrictions,
whilst zone D isn't.

It's not clear to me that FCC themselves would sell Ely tickets.

They're legally obliged to, if you ask for one.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org