George wrote:

On Nov 19, 11:02*am, MaxB wrote:
says Valerie Shawcross

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11792421

I think!

MaxB

Does anybody really think wheelchair users are ever going to be able
to use the tube? Val Shawcross and the like just can't grasp the fact
that many disabled people don't want to use public transport, it just
isn't a viable option for them and it never will be.


It obviously hasn't occurred to you that the main reason that disabled
people don't use public transport is that it is mostly inaccessible.

It is quite wrong to say many disabled people don't *want* to use
public transport. They just don't want to use a system that offers
difficult and/or restricted access. Hardly a surprise.

People like you seem to forget that the vast majority of disabled
people used to be able-bodied but have become incapacitated through
illness, accident or military service. They aren't a different
species. They are just like you and me, except for impaired mobility.

People like you seem to forget that accessibility issues also affect
parents with young children and people who are mobility impaired but
not in a wheelchair. Just try taking a small child on the Tube with a
pushchair. Or more than one child. It's a nightmare.

You make it sound as though you would like public transport to be made
inaccessible to all but able-bodied people so you can be spared the
sight of freaks in wheelchairs, and small children. ;-)

On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:38:56 +0000
Bruce wrote:
People like you seem to forget that accessibility issues also affect
parents with young children and people who are mobility impaired but
not in a wheelchair. Just try taking a small child on the Tube with a
pushchair. Or more than one child. It's a nightmare.

People don't choose to be disabled. They do however choose to have kids.
If you can't cope with kids don't have them.

B2003

In article , d
wrote:

People don't choose to be disabled. They do however choose to have kids.
If you can't cope with kids don't have them.

What will happen to the human race if no one has kids? And do you think
humans have reached the limit of their evolutionary capabilities in the
current transport system?

E.

On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:06:14 +0000
eastender wrote:
In article , d
wrote:

People don't choose to be disabled. They do however choose to have kids.
If you can't cope with kids don't have them.

What will happen to the human race if no one has kids?

Theres almost 7 billion of us. A few years of just single child families or
without any births wouldn't do any harm.

And do you think
humans have reached the limit of their evolutionary capabilities in the
current transport system?

We need to evolve smaller to better use the tube so more of us can squeeze
in. Somewhat contrary to whats actually happening!

B2003

On 2010\11\19 11:11, Adrian wrote:
gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

Does anybody really think wheelchair users are ever going to be able to
use the tube? Val Shawcross and the like just can't grasp the fact that
many disabled people don't want to use public transport, it just isn't
a viable option for them and it never will be.

Well, quite. Why would spazzes, flids& other crips want to try and lead
normal lives, anyway? Why can't they just be happy sitting at home
drooling in front of daytime TV...?

There's nothing normal about being able to use the Tube. The majority of
the people in Britain can't use it because it's nowhere near them. The
people of the Shetland Islands will never have a railway anywhere near
them because it will never be economically viable. Why should wheelchair
users be immune from the viability equations that apply to Shetlanders?

Basil Jet gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

Does anybody really think wheelchair users are ever going to be able
to use the tube? Val Shawcross and the like just can't grasp the fact
that many disabled people don't want to use public transport, it just
isn't a viable option for them and it never will be.

Well, quite. Why would spazzes, flids& other crips want to try and
lead normal lives, anyway? Why can't they just be happy sitting at home
drooling in front of daytime TV...?

There's nothing normal about being able to use the Tube. The majority of
the people in Britain can't use it because it's nowhere near them.

You. ****ing. Idiot.

Why should wheelchair users be immune from the viability equations that
apply to Shetlanders?

Here's a thought... Because they're in London?

In message , Bruce
writes

Just try taking a small child on the Tube with a
pushchair. Or more than one child. It's a nightmare.

It would be far less of a problem if parents didn't keep their kids in
pushchairs for much longer than used to be the case - it encourages the
use of large buggies and sets the seeds of obesity in many children.

Back in the 50s, most kids were out of pushchairs and toddling on reins
by or soon after the age of 2. I don't know why reins are so rarely used
these days, as it is so much easier to pick up the toddler where
necessary (on escalators or while 'minding the gap') than trying to
manipulate some huge baby limousine on and off buses or the tube.
--
Paul Terry

In message , Basil Jet
writes

he people of the Shetland Islands will never have a railway anywhere
near them because it will never be economically viable.

Ah, you've never read "The Railways Of Shetland" by Wilfrid F. Simms !

http://shetlopedia.com/Image:PicTitl...ysShetland.jpg

To be fair, the railways on Shetland were only for herring, lucky fish

--
Paul Terry

In article ,
d wrote:
Does anybody really think wheelchair users are ever going to be able to
use the tube? Val Shawcross and the like just can't grasp the fact that
many disabled people don't want to use public transport, it just isn't
a viable option for them and it never will be.

Well, quite. Why would spazzes, flids & other crips want to try and lead
normal lives, anyway? Why can't they just be happy sitting at home
drooling in front of daytime TV...?

Obviously you've never heard of Dial-a-ride then.

A wheelchair-accessible tube is of more use to a wheelchair user than
dial-a-ride. I speak as someone who occasionally goes on to rush hour
tube trains with someone in a chair, and who has heard from users
of dial-a-ride exactly what it's like.

--
Mike Bristow

On 2010\11\19 16:32, Mike Bristow wrote:
In ,
d wrote:
Does anybody really think wheelchair users are ever going to be able to
use the tube? Val Shawcross and the like just can't grasp the fact that
many disabled people don't want to use public transport, it just isn't
a viable option for them and it never will be.

Well, quite. Why would spazzes, flids& other crips want to try and lead
normal lives, anyway? Why can't they just be happy sitting at home
drooling in front of daytime TV...?

Obviously you've never heard of Dial-a-ride then.

A wheelchair-accessible tube is of more use to a wheelchair user than
dial-a-ride. I speak as someone who occasionally goes on to rush hour
tube trains with someone in a chair, and who has heard from users
of dial-a-ride exactly what it's like.


Exactly what dial-a-ride is like depends on the funding level. If less
money was spent on retrofitting lifts to old tube stations, more could
be spent on dial-a-ride.