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Old January 3rd 04, 03:05 PM posted to uk.transport.london,uk.transport
Paul Oter Paul Oter is offline
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Default Unique pedestrian crossing in Burnt Oak


"Richard Buttrey" wrote in
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On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 09:47:35 -0000, "Paul Oter"
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"Aidan Stanger" wrote in message


The big mystery is why so few crossings in London are marked like that.
Space is such a constraint that most of London's signalled crossings

use
the Barnes Dance sequence UIVMM.


I suspect the main constraint is that a diagonal crossing, being a

greater
distance, requires vehicle traffic to be stopped for longer than with an
ordinary orthogonal crossing. So it's pedestrian convenience vs motorist
convenience.

PaulO


An optimal phasing for a number of pedestrians would surely depend on
where pedestrians are trying to get to, and the relative numbers
wanting to make a simple orthogonal move and those wanting a diagonal
move?

If all pedestrians wanted to end up on a diagonally opposite corner,
then one diagonal move as opposed to two orthogonal moves would result
in a shorter overall crossing time and obviously a shorter stopping
time for motorists.


That would be the case if the traffic planners calculated the length of the
pedestrian phase on the basis of the time taken to cross two arms of the
junction. In practice, they are likely to only consider the time taken to
cross a single arm of the junction.

PaulO