On 16 Nov, 11:05, John B wrote:
On Nov 15, 11:36*am, MIG wrote:

The fare changes in the New Year do give rise to some intriguing
situations occurring. For example, and correct me if I am mistaken,
there is a special set of fares for a journey combining National Rail
and TFL, so would one have to pay a different set of fares for the
following journey depending on which mode of travel you used ?

South Ruislip - Oxford Circus

Route 1: South Ruislip ( Chiltern ) Marylebone ( Central Line) Oxford
Circus

Route 2: South Ruislip ( Central Line) Oxford Circus.

And presumably the cheaper fares will not be the ones where you can
validate at an interchange.

I don't understand your point here. If you get the direct Central Line
train, you'll be charged the Tube fare; if you touch out of Chiltern
and into LU at Marylebone, then you'll be charged the Tube+NR fare.
That's straightforward, simple, and doesn't require any effort on your
part to be charged the right fare.

Just that a system has just been introduced whereby you are assumed to
have gone the more expensive way unless you touch on the cheaper
route. This is going to be reversed in some situations, such as the
Ruislip one.


But underneath all this is a common thread which is that all the
genuine problems caused by Oyster that TfL denies are problems on a
much larger scale on NR, and can't be solved piecemeal.

TfL should have addressed the issues in the first place instead of
just saying "tough, it only affects some people". *This is not the
fault of NR, it's the fault of TfL for introducing a system with
serious flaws which they can't ignore when they are scaled up.

Err, what?

We've needed on-train validation and reasonably priced paper
extensions for years, and now they are needed more than ever, but not
on the cards it seems.


As a formerly disenfranchised resident of south London I am gloating
hugely at the immintent implosion of Oyster and laughing at all the
apologists who denied the problems.

Err, what?

Oyster will be implemented on NR from January. It'll be more expensive
and annoying than the implementation on TfL modes, especially if the
ridiculous Extension Permit plan survives. So your life will be more
annoying than that of North Londoners, but less annoying than it was.

Meanwhile, the procedure for people who currently use Oyster on TfL or
on interavailable-ticketing services *won't change at all*. How on
earth is that going to lead to an 'implosion'?

Well, I'll stand back and watch. I'll be using all-zones out-boundary
paper travelcards for the foreseeable.