On Jan 21, 10:23*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:

On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:19:36 -0000, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

Mizter T wrote:

On Jan 21, 6:36 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

However there was talk of special 'zone 2 only' fares for some ELL
journeys as long as you didn't actually use Shoreditch High St,
which is the only station in zone 1. This was mentioned a year or so
back, but the trail has gone a bit cold recently. Perhaps this will
prompt someone with insider access to find out...

Most interesting - I obviously missed that at the time. I suppose that
would go some way to pacifying the TOCs worried about revenue
abstraction (i.e. pax deserting London Bridge/Cannon Street and
Moorgate for SHS) whilst still promoting it as an orbital route.

I think it might be in one of those TfL board papers. The sort of thing Paul
Corfield seems to be able to find in an instant...

:-)

Err not this time. *The zoning decision was linked to the approval for
ELLX Phase 2 as you know. The only further fares development that anyone
has spotted is the fare zones on the new NR London Connections map that
showed SHS in Zone 1 but Hoxton as boundary Z1/2.

I hadn't spotted that! Given the impenetrability of finding said map
on the redesigned (aka broken) NR website, I put "London Connections"
into Google, and it took me to the old Sept '09 map on the PDA version
of their site (i.e. "http://pda.nationalrail etc etc), so I've only
just really taken the new one on board (seen it at a station but
didn't pore over it).

Putting Hoxton in z1/2 is good in the sense that it will at least make
it clearer that one is going to travel through zone 1, though it's
essentially presentational of course (ok, it does mean single journeys
between Hoxton and SHS will be charged differently as z1-only
journeys, but who's going to be doing that?!). I recall the fix on the
NLL that put Hampstead Heath (and only HH) in zone 3, surrounded by
zone 2 - this feels like something of a fix too, but at least it's
executed in a way that's a bit easier to see.

(Not that I think many people with zone 2 Travelcards ever actually
ended up paying for a ticket extension to go through HH, not least
because buying a ticket wasn't always exactly easy, let alone a
difficult ticket like this which required an open ticket office, and
not that anyone ever had their tickets checked on the NLL. Not that
that many people had tickets in the first place either of course!)

Shame there doesn't appear to be a 'go orbital' easement to encourage
people to head this way. The SHS rezoning has to turn a lot of the
predicted traffic analysis on its head.


http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/medi...ive/11192.aspx

Interestingly the DfT press release is no longer on the usual NDS site.
Given the SLL controversy I suspect it has been pulled.

That's something that is good about the TfL and GLA websites - old
press releases stay up on them and don't get airbrushed from history.
The GLA website has press releases dating back to 2000 when it was set
up, and TfL back to 2004. Might not always be the case of course.


What I haven't tried is whether the Fares Finder has Hoxton or
Shoreditch High St listed. I'd be amazed if they were there but it can't
be long before an update will be needed. The real fun will be when the
services on to NR metals start and the fares implications from that -
pink validators at Canada Water anybody?

Hopefully not for people to jump out and touch on before leaping
heroically back in! (I recall someone saying they'd successfully done
as much when travelling in on Chiltern on a paper ticket and switching
to PAYG at Amersham, or maybe Chalfont & Latimer... cue MIG saying
facilities should be provided for doing this everywhere!)

I tried the Fare Finder for ELL stations a couple of days ago but
there were none. Also, "fare finder" is in the singular, though it
doesn't sound or scan at all right does it! See:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/faresandtickets/2930.aspx