On 23 Jan, 13:46, Mizter T wrote:
On Jan 23, 1:05*pm, MIG wrote:





On 23 Jan, 12:14, Mizter T wrote:

On Jan 23, 10:25*am, MIG wrote:

On 23 Jan, 09:34, "Peter Masson" wrote:
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Is the in-boundary ODTC likely to survive long, now that Oyster is available
on National Rail throughout the zones? Out-boundary ODTCs will presumably
have to continue, as it is impossible to touch in an Oyster while you are on
a train entering the zones.

It would be nice if TPTB took being able to touch into consideration,
but they haven't till now. *If out-boundary ODTCs continue it will be
down to legislation, not consideration of the punters.

???

The outboundary Day Travelcard will of course continue to exist - the
TOCs sell a ton of them.

OK; legislation or business benefits (assuming that it would be down
to the TOCs to decide that travelcards continued; but would it, given
validity on LU, buses etc?).

The Travelcard, as well as being protected, is a joint National Rail
and TfL product. TfL could not just do away with it unilaterally.



From other postings, it seems that legislation would trump anything
else anyway if travelcards are "protected".

My point was that, whatever the fare and pricing structure, "it could
be inconvenient for people who haven't got Oyster or can't touch
during the journey" will absolutely NOT be a consideration in any
decision to retain day travelcards or otherwise.

Oyster PAYG is essentially for people making in-boundary journeys,
i.e. those within the zones.

True, as are travelcards, but travelcards can be extended, while PAYG
can't.

I don't know how two single Oyster fares from Coulsdon South to London
Terminals will compare with the difference between a day return
Brighton to Coulsdon South and a day return Brighton to London
Terminals.

People might feel they were paying multiple times if they had to go
all the way to London Terminals and back without contributing to their
PAYG cap. If travelcards are retained, there's no problem, and they
may well be, but I am doubting whether the effect on such people will
have any bearing on a decision to retain them. They'll be told that
they have to get off during both journeys and touch in/out if they
want to take advantage of the Oyster fares.