On 16 Feb, 15:57, Matthew Dickinson
wrote:
It's clear that TfL has no intention of stopping people from combining
Travelcards held on Oyster with paper tickets for journeys beyond the
zonal validity. Inevitably the inherent presumption is that those
using a Travelcard loaded on Oyster who wish to travel beyond the
zonal validity of said Travelcard but still within the London zones
will make use of Oyster's ability to combine Travelcard and PAYG in
order to automatically pay the extension fare.

The one significant group of people who may have other ideas is Gold
Card Travelcard holders (i.e. annual Travelcard holders), who are
entitled to a third off fares (like a Railcard) but cannot have this
discount entitlement activated on their Oyster card (unlike holders of
Railcards, except the Network Railcard and Family & Friends Railcard -
the latter at least being an understandable omission). As to why this
is the case, you would have to ask ATOC and TfL!

Also, just to make life interesting, the NRCoC does also mention that
usage of electronic tickets is subject to their own conditions of
issue and use! If the two sets of conditions (NR and electronic
ticket) were really in conflict, which would have primacy is an
interesting question. One rather suspects that those parties involved
will work to avoid that situation arising.

London Travelwatch are to discuss some of this at the February Fares &
Ticketing meeting.

The documents include a list of gated and ungated stations.

http://www.londontravelwatch.org.uk/...ent.php?id=687


I can't actually see where the NRCoC says that there are different
conditions for electronic tickets. There is this bit

"Wherever reference is made in these Conditions to information about
restrictions,
stations, routes and period of validity being shown on tickets, this
information will not be
shown on Smartcards and may not be displayed on the cards or devices
in (ii) to (v) of this
Condition, for any Electronic Tickets they contain. However, any
restrictions or other terms
of use (including these Conditions where applicable) will still apply.
You can get details of
restrictions and terms of use from the seller of the Electronic Ticket
or Electronic Funds."

But I took that to mean that the conditions which apply to validity of
tickets apply to the tickets stored electronically, and other
conditions which apply to the use of stored credit on a particular
medium also apply, but not that they might contradict each other.

The seller of electronic tickets would have to provide both the
conditions which apply to tickets and the conditions which apply to
the use of electronic funds.

Or have I missed something?