On Jun 11, 9:37*pm, "Michael R N Dolbear" wrote:

Ian wrote

Fun and games can occur when a LA allows OAPs "extra" time before the
0930 official start.... they can ONLY allow the extra time to their
OWN OAPs, not to those who come in from other areas.

The examples below are correct but not your above expression of the
principle.

Not OWN OAPs but rather concession BusPass holders boarding in that
LA's AREA.

Thus in London Freedom Pass and all English Pass holders can use their
passes at any time on TfL buses when they board WITHIN the London AREA.

So a Freedom or any English passholder can board a TfL bus in Kingston
to go to Dorking at 08:00 but once past Chessington no one can get on
for a free ride until after 09:00 since some Surrey District would have
to pay. Whether they can use a (non-TfL) bus to Guildford before 09:00
they don't say.

Sorry Michael but it ain't that simple. In London, TfL allow *all*
pass holders - both Freedom Pass holders and ENCTS senior pass holders
- to use their passes at any time (i.e. inc. before 09:30 and after
23:00) on London bus services. Other local authorities meanwhile may
allow local pass holders 'extra' travel time (e.g. before 09:30) but
enforce the 09:30 - 23:00 weekday time window on non-local ENCTS pass
holders.

Also, with regards to your Kingston to Dorking example - this is route
465, and is operated (by Metrobus) for TfL, and is hence a full part
of the London Bus network. As such, the TfL rules apply to this route
- so all ENCTS pass holders (both Londoners and those from yonder the
smoke) can use this bus service for free at ant time of the day.

There are some routes on the fringes of London which are not part of
the London Buses network, but where there are arrangements for the
acceptance of TfL tickets for part of the route - the 84 (Metroline)
accepts TfL tickets between New Barnet and Potters Bar, but it also
then continues on beyond Potters Bar to St. Albans. Unfortunately a
recent redesign of the fares section of the TfL website has resulted
in detailed info for such routes vanishing.

However, for the bare bones see the "Concessionary bus passes from
outside London" section on this page:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14305.aspx#tkt-tab-panel-4