Mizter T wrote in

On Jun 11, 9:37*pm, "Michael R N Dolbear" wrote:

Not OWN OAPs but rather concession BusPass holders boarding in that
LA's AREA.

Thus in London Freedom Pass and all English Pass holders can use
their
passes at any time on TfL buses when they board WITHIN the London
AREA.

So a Freedom or any English passholder can board a TfL bus in
Kingston
to go to Dorking at 08:00 but once past Chessington no one can get on
for a free ride until after 09:00 since some Surrey District would
have
to pay. Whether they can use a (non-TfL) bus to Guildford before
09:00
they don't say.

.. Sorry Michael but it ain't that simple. In London, TfL allow *all*
pass holders - both Freedom Pass holders and ENCTS senior pass holders
- to use their passes at any time (i.e. inc. before 09:30 and after
23:00) on London bus services. Other local authorities meanwhile may
allow local pass holders 'extra' travel time (e.g. before 09:30) but
enforce the 09:30 - 23:00 weekday time window on non-local ENCTS pass
holders.

Have you examples of "Other local authorities" that actually do this
discrimination on buses ? Or a legal opinion on its allowability ?

.. Also, with regards to your Kingston to Dorking example - this is
route
465, and is operated (by Metrobus) for TfL, and is hence a full part
of the London Bus network. As such, the TfL rules apply to this route
- so all ENCTS pass holders (both Londoners and those from yonder the
smoke) can use this bus service for free at ant time of the day.

=quote
http://www.londoncouncils.gov.uk/fre...here/buses.htm
Your Freedom Pass is valid on most local buses (in the Greater London
area) at any time of day or night. ==

In the Greater London area the London Borough where the F/ENCTS holder
got on would be charged.

Outside that area, eg if they got on in Leatherhead before 09:00, then
acceptance would cause Mole Valley council to be charged and they have
not agreed to pay.


There are some routes on the fringes of London which are not part of
the London Buses network, but where there are arrangements for the
acceptance of TfL tickets for part of the route - the 84 (Metroline)
[...]

I have the pre-2009 download but for Senior Pass purposes it hardly
matters except for the argument above wrt Twirlies since these are all
local bus services.

--
Mike D