On Jun 20, 12:37 pm, GSV 3 minds in a can wrote:
My journey involves starting at 9:30am from Pinner and going to Forest
Hill. This is off peak.
I used to use southern from London bridge but now the East London line
as opened I can interchange at canada water.

I buy a YP discounted travel card for £5.00 PAPER TICKET
I return during the evening peak, for which my paper ticket is still
valid.

I have oyster PAYG which also has my YP card on it.

How would the cap work, if I make 2 journeys 1 off peak, and the other
peak, if I used my oyster card.

Oyster would be more convenient as I dont have to queue.

Simple answer - in your case using Oyster PAYG should cost no more
than buying a railcard-discounted off-peak Day Travelcard - i.e.
£5.00, and could cost you (drum roll please!) 20 pence less, i.e.
£4.80. I will explain...

You say you have your 16-25 (aka YP) Railcard discount loaded on your
Oyster card - this will give you a "A third off the off-peak Daily
price cap", as per the TfL website:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14414....card%20holders

The undiscounted off-peak daily price cap for zones 1-6 is £7.50 - so
a third off that is £5.00. Note that for *capping purposes*, on a
weekday the off-peak period is from 09:30 until 04:29 the next day.

A return journey from Pinner to Forest Hill could well result in you
hitting that cap, depending upon when exactly you travel and what
route you use. I will elaborate - note that I've sourced the fares
information from the TfL Fare finder he
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tickets/fa...inder/current/


Note that there is a drop-down box to the right, labelled "Type",
which shows "Adult" as the default - go to it and select "National
Railcard" instead.

Enter Pinner as the origin and Forest Hill as the destination. On the
results page there will be a button that says "Alternative fares" -
click on this and you'll be shown two route options.

The first fare - £3.80 peak/ £2.40 off-peak - is the 'pure' TfL fare,
as this involves a journey on TfL services only*, i.e. via the Met and
Jubilee lines and then LO ELL from Canada Water to Forest Hill. Note
that for PAYG single journey purposes (as opposed to daily capping
purposes), the peak rate applies from 06:30-09:30 and 16:00-19:00 on
weekdays.

If you change what's in the drop-down box you'll see that you don't
actually benefit from any railcard-discount on this (railcard
discounts don't apply to the pure TfL rate).

(*Though if one was to travel on Southern between Forest Hill and New
Cross Gate, that'd be perfectly legit - what I mean is that the
journey is charged at the TfL rate throughout.)

The second fare - £5.00 peak/ £2.45 off-peak - is the through NR/TfL
fare, and involves travel via Southern and London Bridge. Here the off-
peak fare (but *not* the peak fare) does attract the third-off
railcard-discount - the undiscounted fare being £3.70.

So as I said depending on when you travel and what route you take
(i.e. via London Bridge or Canada Water) you could pay £4.80, £4.85,
£4.90 or £5.00. If you're journey back starts in the evening PAYG peak
period (16:00 to 19:00) you'll pay £5.00, as that's the railcard-
discounted daily cap.

Hope that helps and your brain hasn't melted!

Do remember to touch-in and touch out - oh, and the peak/off-peak rate
applies to when you touch-in to start the journey - so if you touch in
at say 15:59, you'll travel at the PAYG off-peak rate.


Also another note:

If there are 2 trains at new cross gate going southwards, one being
the LO service, and the other being a Southern Service, does the
Southern leave first heading towards Brockley, Honor Oak ... etc?

I asked a chap at New cross gate when I saw a southern train on the
adjacent platform and he said the LO would leave. total nonsense.
Heard the door sounds on the southern train and darted across and just
made it.

There's no rule here - whichever train is timetabled to go first down
the line towards Brockley etc will be the one that leaves first.
Unless there's some sort of service disruption, in which case,
whichever one the signaller thinks should go first I suppose. I dare
say the staff on the platform are likely to be as in the dark as
anyone else is!